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Graeme Fission


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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020
| Quote: | Within the next 12 years, the seas of Britain could have enough wind farms to power every one of the country's 25 million homes.
Harnessing the vast potential of the UK's island status has entered a new phase with Energy Secretary John Hutton announcing proposals to open up its seas to up to 33 GW (gigawatts) of offshore wind energy.
He also announced that he will chair a panel of experts to advise him on renewable energy, underscoring the UK Government's determination to play its part in meeting the EU target of 20 percent renewable energy by 2020. |
energycurrent _________________ Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. H. G. Wells.
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Heineken Expert


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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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Britain has a bigger problem than energy . . .
Drowning.
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=710322005 _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother |
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cube Fusion

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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one 5M RePower windmill == 17 Gwh annual production source
Britain Electricity - production: 372.6 billion kWh (2005) source
To meet 20% wind energy requires 21,917 X 0.20 == 4384 windmills
There 365 days in a year and 13 years from now till 2020 so if the Brits start propping up a windmill everyday starting today then they should make it! oops you mean you didn't install one today?
*cracks whip* Hurry up damn it....you're behind schedule!
Did I mention this is suppose to be an offshore windmill not land based? The previous pics were a prototype version. You didn't think this would be easy did you?
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cube Fusion

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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essex Heavy Crude


Joined: Jul 12, 2004 Posts: 169 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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These turbines in the right place and not near homes or causing environmental destruction are fine BUT and it is a big " but " they wear out quickly and are very expensive to install and maintain. They are at the end of a long " food " chain of fossil fuel use. When that's gone then what ??
If this was the solution then all that electricity use will simply prop up a continuously expansionary economic model which rapes the earth.
Solar water heating, insulation, and good old conservation helped by high prices are what is needed.
BTW posters who claim that the UK will drown clearly plan to be around millenia from now " when " all that ice eventually melts. Good luck to you, fossil fuels will have been exhausted in 40 years and an ice age is not that far away.
Sorry to snow on your parade. |
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KillTheHumans Intermediate Crude


Joined: Sep 17, 2007 Posts: 801 Location: Rockies
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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| Graeme wrote: | Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020
energycurrent |
This is aweful. If people keep coming up with ways to heat themselves, power their cars, run their A/C, desalinate their driking water, limit CO2 generation and grow their economies, all with electricity, then what good is pretending not having crude will kill off 75% of them? |
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kokoda Heavy Crude


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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:07 am Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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Of all the renewable energy options wind power is the one that I think has the most potential.
It has a great EROI ratio averaging nearly 20-1 over the life of the turbine. That is better than oil, solar, coal, hydro and nuclear.
The problem is that it only represents about 1% of the world energy output. That is an awful lot of scaling up that is required. |
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cube Fusion

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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:21 am Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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| kokoda wrote: | ...
The problem is that it only represents about 1% of the world energy output. That is an awful lot of scaling up that is required. | I guess you didn't smell the humor in my previous post huh? *the implicit hint* |
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thor Heavy Crude


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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:04 am Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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thor Heavy Crude


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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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Whether or not they'll meet their targets, building these windmills out in the sea should be done anyway since it's better to have them and not to want them then to want them and not to have them...
Once the energy crunch begins in earnest, you'll thank the heavens that you did install some capacity to generate electricity. Everybody else will fall behind, never able to install these windmills during the permanent economic contraction. |
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MD Community Manager

Joined: May 02, 2005 Posts: 3420 Location: Oh really?
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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| thor wrote: | Whether or not they'll meet their targets, building these windmills out in the sea should be done anyway since it's better to have them and not to want them then to want them and not to have them...
Once the energy crunch begins in earnest, you'll thank the heavens that you did install some capacity to generate electricity. Everybody else will fall behind, never able to install these windmills during the permanent economic contraction. |
corollary: live in close proximity to established hydro-power, but not on the river down-stream.  _________________ "It's not demand; It's not supply.
It's coming up with credit to buy"
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mkwin Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:01 am Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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If we get an 84-meter sea rise everybody has a big problem. China's Eastern seaboard and Japan would be submerged under 10 meters of water.
It is typical of doomers to talk about a problem at the very extreme of possibility as if it were an impending disaster. |
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mkwin Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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TheTurtle Fission


Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 2123 Location: Along the banks of the muddy Mississippi
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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| mkwin wrote: | | It is typical of doomers to talk about a problem at the very extreme of possibility as if it were an impending disaster. |
What leads you to believe the problem of rising waters is "at the very extreme of possibility"? _________________ “Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.” (Ted Perry) |
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Heineken Expert


Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6468 Location: Rural Virginia
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Offshore wind to power every British home by 2020 |
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| cube wrote: |

Do I see a resemblance?  |
Cube, that's a clever observation! Yes, the resemblance is eerie. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother |
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