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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:41 am    Post subject: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:54 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

(Note: Assuming you are asking about the 20th century to date)

The 1950s, no doubt about it.

Economically:
The US was the world's largest oil producer
The US was the world's largest oil exporter
The US was the world's largest exporter of goods, and enjoyed a formidable trade account surplus
The US did not run up huge budget deficits in annual spending (Republicans actually were fiscally conservative back then...)
The US dollar was backed by gold ($35 per ounce)

Bottom line: One wage earner could support a family back then.

Domestically, the US Surpreme Court under Chief Justice Warren helped undue some of the unjustices of the past. Specifically, the Brown vs. Board of Education decision of 1956 stuck down the "separate but equal" concept of racial segregation and set the stage for a more equal society. In fact, I would argue the Barak Obama's historical acheivement this week as a major presidential candidate is linked back to the 1956 decision, which initiated the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s.

Geopoliticallly, the US was admired throughout the world as it sought to rebuild post-war Europe and Japan, and pursued liberal foreign policies such as the Marshall plan (correction: and in 1948, the famous Berlin Air Lift).

Believe it or not, but the US was even loved in the Middle East due to Eisenhower’s stance regarding the Suez Crisis of 1956, when he forced the "pro-colonial" French, Israelis, and English out of the Suez following their conspiracy to take over the Canal.

The lowpoints domestically during the 1950s? The "red scare" period thanks to McCarthyism paranoia. From an energy & resource perspectice, the solidification of "suburbia" - and the beginnings of urban sprawl and excessive oil consumption. GM, Firestone and Standard Oil were convicted of conspiracy to buy up and dismantle the public transportation systems such as electric trollies and local rail systems. GM executives were fined $1 for their treachery...

The low points of US foreign policy in the 1950s? The Korean War and CIA operation Ajax of 1953 - the later of which explains the US-Iranian relationship today.

Still, the 1950s were the golden years for the US - in large part due to its oil/energy supplies, favorable trade position and a "good as gold" currency.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:04 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I would agree that it was the 1950s. We had a real economy, where we were producing real things and real products. The typical American could take a job at graduation (from high school) and remain in that job for the rest of his life. Housing expense (as a proportion) was much less than it is today and there was an expectation that people would pay off their homes.

Remember the 1975 epidose of "All In the Family" where Archie has a mortgage burning party party? After years of payments, they owned their own home. How many people do YOU know who own their homes outright?

Typical mortgages were 15 years, not 30 (like today) or INTEREST ONLy or even reverse amortization. Yeesh.

Today, the average baby boomer will have five CAREERS before retirement. That's not jobs, but careers. It's certainly been true for me and my siblings. We've lost stability. And what's worse, I think Americans have lost faith in the future.

We were flying high in the 1950s and 60s.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Petrodollar wrote:
The 1950s, no doubt about it.


I think, yes, there's a strong case to be made for the 50s. It might be hard to nail it down to just one decade, though. There were things that weren't attractive about the 50s if you weren't the right person. "Happy Days"... yeah, if you were an upper middle class WASP male, they were f***in' HILARIOUS Days. Smile Not so good if you were hanging from a tree in Mississippi for being in the same county with a white woman after 6 p.m., though.

I think there was a nice, long hang at apogee from, say, the end of the Korean War till about Apollo 11. Yeah, there were bad things all along... the struggle for equal rights, the Vietnam War, the Kennedy assassination(s)... But the US was really at its peak in those years. Till about 1960, the US still accounted for 50% of the world's economic activity (currently it's about 20%, likely to be 15% by 2020). Great scientific and technological strides were being made in the 60s, and with the ugly exception of Vietnam, the US looked like it was winning the ideological war with the Soviet Union by claiming the higher ground. The Berlin Wall was a real abdication of Soviet claims.

But the rot really set in with Vietnam. That's when the US started running its first production deficits, to West Germany and Japan. The US dollar was shaky and France was asking for repayment in bullion, and Nixon shut the door on that Aug. 15, 1971, ending Bretton-Woods. Once the US dollar was unbacked fiat currency, the belt came off and the button popped off the pants. But till then... a pretty golden time from Ike to LBJ.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I would say the age of transcendentalism, back in the 19th century--Emerson, Thoreau, etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thanks for all the replies.

I was thinking the 50's as well. But I never thought of all the reasons that were brought up. I just went by gut instinct and looked back on how people lived.

Seemed like the 50's were a more relaxed time and people actually 'could live' a decent life, as opposed to those that just 'try to survive' as our world becomes overpopulated, our food supply becomes degenerated and we are depleted of natural resources.

I guess some of the appeal of the fifties was the fact that the population had not exploded as yet into the overpopulated mess we have now.

One responder brought up sprawl.

Sprawl is tough to pin down, for one persons sprawl is an another persons community.

http://www.plannersweb.com/sprawl/define.html

In the movie 'The End of Suburbia' the Canadians that were bad mouthing the US and it dependence on suburbs failed to see that there is not a lot of choice other than congested high rise concrete cites or spread out suburbs once the population is overbuilt.

The End of Suburbia pictured multi level condos or town hose buildings as their ideal, along main streets with local shopping and activities.

While a nice dream for some, it would be impractical for the vast majority of the US population since it is so large. Once you condense the suburbs you now have a jammed up city. If you extend the city you have suburbs.

The movie maintained the importance of having one's own food garden. The ideal of the multi structured family living they proposed would not offer food gardening. They would have to be dependent on community gardens since they had no yard of their own. And community gardens are not practical for the millions upon millions that inhabit the concrete jungles we have built.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Clearly it was any decade that came before the year 1492. Since that time there has been an ever deepening downward spiral.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

dunewalker wrote:
I would say the age of transcendentalism, back in the 19th century--Emerson, Thoreau, etc.


Yes, may be the golden age for philosophy in the US, but I am looking for a balanced view that takes many factors into account.

When we speak of balance, Thoreau comes to mind as well. While he was one of my favorite philosophers, he lived a quite unbalanced life. I guess he was looking to the extremes to see just how far one could go ..'for the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.' (unless you take the detour to death).

"The twelve labors of Hercules were trifling in comparison with those which my neighbors have undertaken; for they were only twelve, and had an end; but I could never see that these men slew or captured any monster or finished any labor. They had no friend Iolaus to burn with a hot iron the root of hydra's head, but as soon as one head is crushed, two spring up." ~ Thoreau
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

allenwrench wrote:
The End of Suburbia pictured multi level condos or town hose buildings as their ideal, along main streets with local shopping and activities.

While a nice dream for some, it would be impractical for the vast majority of the US population since it is so large. Once you condense the suburbs you now have a jammed up city. If you extend the city you have suburbs.


Well, not necessarily; only if you abandon the vertical aspect of the city as you spread out, which is exactly what we tend to do. If you maintain the vertical aspect of city life, what you get is something more like Manhattan, except without the boundaries enforced by being on an actual island. You have a sharper distinction between the urban and the rural, instead of the blurred edges we have in suburban sprawl. You also leave more land available to cultivation. We've been disastrously eating out a lot of our best farm land spreading out.


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The movie maintained the importance of having one's own food garden. The ideal of the multi structured family living they proposed would not offer food gardening. They would have to be dependent on community gardens since they had no yard of their own. And community gardens are not practical for the millions upon millions that inhabit the concrete jungles we have built.


Family cultivation, though, is vastly inefficient, and it's not practical for cities. It makes the surpluses that support the cities and the populations that do things besides grow vegetable much harder to organize, accumulate, and distribute. That's why we stopped growing food in cities and towns centuries ago and left it to the people in the hinterlands. You can't support cities of millions and nations of hundreds of millions with everyone living like Thomas Jefferson would have liked. You're looking at Mao-level famine, a decimation of the population and the attendant atrocities, and a return to feudalism (good luck getting shells for your 40-ought, boys, to hold back all them would-be kings). So everyone here who's hoping to just ride it out with his turnip patch better start praying real hard that we DO make a go of alt energy and move on to the next level... before the rest of humanity starts PREYING real hard.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Another good thing about the 1950s, FLYING WAS FUN!

Smile

Here's a picture of Mom in the early 1950s boarding a DC-4. (I think it's a DC-4; it has four wing-mounted engines.)

Notice she's at the GATE - a real gate made of chain link! Oh, those were the days...

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I am going to have to say, pre 1776!

Look what has happened since we let you have the freedom of one of our colonies! Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

1776-1876
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

hope_full wrote:
Another good thing about the 1950s, FLYING WAS FUN! Here's a picture of Mom in the early 1950s boarding a DC-4. (I think it's a DC-4; it has four wing-mounted engines.) Notice she's at the GATE - a real gate made of chain link! Oh, those were the days...


Funny how, in some ways, we were freer then than we are now. It really makes you think.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cashmere wrote:
1776-1876


About every sixth person in the US or so was OWNED by another person for nearly all of that era... it can't be gold with that kind of tarnish on it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: Which decade was America's golden age? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Geopoliticallly, the US was admired throughout the world as it sought to rebuild post-war Europe and Japan, and pursued liberal foreign policies such as the Marshall plan (and in the early 1960s, the famous Berlin Air Lift).

The lowpoints of US foreign policy in the 1950s? The Korean War and CIA operation Ajax of 1953 - the later of which explains the US-Iranian relationship today.



The Berlin airlift was in 1948 when we were not fully stood down from WWII and could stare Stalin in the eye till he blinked.

And I can't buy Korea as a black mark on us. Their thug did attack our thug, not the other way around.
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