Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:21 am Post subject: Re: Canadian Government Falls
Condolences to my friends under the maple leaf, like threadbear, but this could be really, really bad for Canada.
Martin's liberals were corrupt. But aren't all politicians?
If Stephen Harper becomes PM, look for an Oil industry/Neocon/Fundamentalist anschluss from Houston to Edmonton. It is looking very dark for those who believe in conservation or separation of church and state. Look for the border to lose what little meaning it has. Hello US gulag outposts in the Yukon. _________________ "The world is changed... I feel it in the water... I feel it in the earth... I smell it in the air... Much that once was, is lost..." - Galadriel
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:08 am Post subject: Re: Canadian Government Falls
MicroHydro wrote:
Condolences to my friends under the maple leaf, like threadbear, but this could be really, really bad for Canada.
Martin's liberals were corrupt. But aren't all politicians?
If Stephen Harper becomes PM, look for an Oil industry/Neocon/Fundamentalist anschluss from Houston to Edmonton. It is looking very dark for those who believe in conservation or separation of church and state. Look for the border to lose what little meaning it has. Hello US gulag outposts in the Yukon.
It really isn't as bad as it sounds. The American media is making it out to be something like Argentina going down! Our government has NOT collapsed. Relax folks. It's part of our system. The current government is being asked to hold an election! That's really all there is to this. We Canadians are kicking our government out for stealing a million dollars or so over a period of years. The American government steals that much PER DAY!
...And then you go and keep the thieves! Ours can be gotten rid of by a simple vote of no confidence, you guys are stuck with your whakos for 4 years at a time.
As to who gets elected, hard to say. Ya never know, the liberals could just get back in again even. So far, Canada is still very moderate by your standards, and very centrist (communist by your standards!). Canada will not elect a Hitler, not yet. We are still too comfortably affluent, our economy still too good. That won't last forever, but we won't elect a total nutbar just yet. And for that matter, the position of Prime Minister doesn't have that much power on its own, it's the party that forms the government. And we Canadians are good at electing minority governments that are forced to make deals with the opposition parties. The necessary infighting keeps the bastards in line a bit better!
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:55 am Post subject: Re: Canadian Government Falls
Oh, how I wish we in America could do what you Canadians can do!
I long for us to recall an administration, or to vote "no confidence" and call for new elections.
I also long for IRV (Instant Runoff Voting) so that we break the stranglehold of the Republicratic duopoly and make room for true political diversity in the USA.
Some of us are working for IRV.....the "Recall" or "no confidence" thing is worth pursuing also. _________________ pedaling for peace and ecojustice -- Gary
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Canadian Government Falls
I wonder how many Canadians understand that NAFTA requires them to sell 60% of their natural gas and oil production to the US, and whether energy resource depletion and allocation issues will play a role in this change.
Anyone have info about this? _________________ pedaling for peace and ecojustice -- Gary
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:44 am Post subject: Re: Canadian Government Falls
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And then you go and keep the thieves! Ours can be gotten rid of by a simple vote of no confidence, you guys are stuck with your whakos for 4 years at a time.
You hit is on the nail. The Club house atmosphere in the US politics is awfull. Dubya should be out yesterday with all that has happened to the country. :>(( _________________ Men argue, nature acts !
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Canadian Government Falls
Gary wrote:
I wonder how many Canadians understand that NAFTA requires them to sell 60% of their natural gas and oil production to the US, and whether energy resource depletion and allocation issues will play a role in this change.
Anyone have info about this?
A lot of people in Canada are getting pretty fed up with the constant arguing with the US over our NAFTA agreements. The refusal to pay up on softwood is just the latest of a long list of disputes we've had with the US AFTER the Free Trade Act was signed.
I think scrapping NAFTA may become a big election campaign issue (although the previous Liberal government was elected to do this and didn't). But this time its different, after 15 years of Free Trade, very few Canadians feel its a good idea (actually the majority voted against it, but Majorities aren't always enough in our country).
Even former Mulroney advisers (Those that actually wrote the orginal Free Trade Act) now feel that we're getting a raw deal.
This election could be interesting _________________ Angry yet?
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Canadian Government Falls
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I wonder how many Canadians understand that NAFTA requires them to sell 60% of their natural gas and oil production to the US, and whether energy resource depletion and allocation issues will play a role in this change.
Anyone have info about this?
I imagine there are pockets of people who do. Most however, remain blissfully ignorant. If even a quarter of our country knew that under NAFTA the company UPS was suing Canada Post for 184 million becuase they are claiming that Canada Post has unfair advantage because they have access to mail boxes in every city and town, they would likely laugh, get outraged and demand something be done about it.
Personally I am actually thinking about not voting for once. The Liberals are beyond corrupt but the Conservatives would literally sell us to the US and Harper scairs me. the only option is the NDP but they've never been elected.
I think it more likely taht there will be a huge split revealed in this next election (as in the last). its not so much that we like any one party, but more that even the 56% that do go out and vote will do so again indecisively creting another minority government.
and that could be a very good thing for our country. because to pass any laws or bills they have to make deals with all concerned. this creates more representation of the various factions in Canada than the system would normally.
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Canadian Government Falls
I am aware of the Nafta requirements and I'm not all that broken up about the 60% rule.
I'm hoping it pushes us to become much more efficient and we sell as much of our petroleum to the US and elsewhere as we can.
I'll be voting for the NDP, aiming to solidfy their role as the balance of power. This would be a good next step for them.
Steven Harper is a war criminal wannabe and a tool for Bushco. and a good portion of the Canadian population can see this. _________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Canadian Government Falls
Martin now referring to the conservatives as the Neo-conservatives. Beautiful. He's acquired a spine and has quit giggling like an anxious school girl in Bush's presence. What more could one ask from a leader-- that his party be completely lily white, as well? That would make him way too unique, an anamalous phenomenon, almost supernatural, like the sasquatch. Noone would vote for a big hairy fairy. Better to go with the devil you know.
Canada is leaning left, since Bushco. The Conservatives, tripping over themselves to call an election are going to lose seats and gain nothing. Harper doesn't stand a chance. Peter McKay, under the tutelage of ex prime minister Mulroney, could represent a problem a few years down the road though.
Living out West, I'm nervous about the US, but equally concerned about courting Chinese influence as a counter balance.
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Canadian Government Falls
uNkNowN ElEmEnt wrote:
Personally I am actually thinking about not voting for once. The Liberals are beyond corrupt but the Conservatives would literally sell us to the US and Harper scairs me. the only option is the NDP but they've never been elected.
You should still vote, even if it's just to submit a spoiled ballot. Not voting amounts to apathy, but a spoiled ballot registers your disgust.
Better still, vote Green Party. For the second time, there's a Green Party member running in every single riding. The Green Party are the only ones who have made peak oil a part of their platform.
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