Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: Slavery by another name
I've just begun reading this book, and its already proving to be one of the best books I've read in a long time. Its called "Slavery by another name" by Doug Blackmon, editor for the Wall Street Journal in Atlanta.
Its about a very painful part of American history, the time period from the end of the Civil War until WWII, where even though slavery was abolished via Constitutional Amendment, it persisted through local laws and ordinances against vagrancy. For example, if a black man could not prove he was employed, he could and often was arrested for vagrancy and thrown in the county jail, sometimes years at a time. The county sheriffs would then "lease" these inmates out to various big corporations to pay for their jail fees and expenses. This book concentrates on one such arrest where the man was arrested for vagrancy and then leased to US Steel Corporation to work in their coal mines, very harsh conditions, with high mortality rates.
The author has visited the many grave sites of these men who died working in these company coal mines (Norther companies by the way). Slavery was in essence transferred from being a "southern institution" to a Northern or really an American institution.
Although I haven't finished the book yet, it seems that WWII finally put the brakes on this practice when the West criticized Hitler for his treatment of the Jews and Hitler, rightly, deflected their moral criticism of him by criticizing the US continued disparaging treatment of its black citizens.
So far, the book is well written and a detailed account of a part of American history that most are not aware of and would rather be forgotten by those who are. It certainly sheds light on the subsequent rise of the civil rights movement and attack against the "separate but equal" culture in the U.S. It also shows how there is much less time between slavery and freedom than I was aware of. I hate the fact that I was so ignorant.
It also makes one wonder how a new depression or resource wars would play out again here, or anywhere else, when a country has many unemployed or the need for cheap labor. To this day, Arkansas prisons continue to work farms and basic production for sale in the open market.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
I suspect that the issue of involuntary servitude could best be represented as a spectrum ranging from chattel slavery at the worst up through certain entry-level jobs in our present day society. For example, if one investigates farmworkers during the 1929 depression, one notes that their meager wages were largely consumed by the cost of companies supplied housing and food. One might also lifted an eyebrow at the status of sharecroppers. In addition, most of us enjoy the benefits of cheap consumer goods produced by workers in foreign factories.
Although most people do not care to admit it, labor cost function according to the same supply and demand parameters as any other commodity. If economic slowdown results in an oversupply of labor, coupled with an under supply of money, then the value of labor will decline. Thus, some sort of quasi-slavery arrangement may well exist at some undefined point in the future. _________________ Dieoff. Fun to watch. Better with hot buttered popcorn!
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
Slavery has been an integral part of the human race since the begining of civilization. It's not beyond the sense of reason to postulate it's return.
Man are we going to miss that black stuff coming up out the ground! _________________ Nothing is more dangerous than a man with nothing left to lose but has everything left to gain.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
With the exception of the FF age, the story of history has been the same:
a few on top, most on the bottom.
We'll return to that because no other model works. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
Cashmere wrote:
We'll return to that because no other model works.
No other model seems to work for civilization, anyway. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
Cashmere wrote:
With the exception of the FF age, the story of history has been the same:
a few on top, most on the bottom.
We'll return to that because no other model works.
I firmly disagree. There is communism, where everyone is equal...everyone produces the same, everyone gets the same. No one gets a free ride, no one gets to live off the production of others.
If we can't have that in the post peak era, you can count me in as part of the great die-off....as being a slave to another is a fate worst than death.
And let it be known to all of you that seem to "like" the idea of slavery...I really, really, REALLY hope humans become extinct before we go back to the age of slavery, as there is just no point in being human if most individuals have to live sh*t lives. And I mean this, with all my heart and soul. _________________ Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide...
...and the meek shall inherit the Earth!
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
Byron100 wrote:
There is communism, where everyone is equal...everyone produces the same, everyone gets the same. No one gets a free ride, no one gets to live off the production of others.
Except the General Secretary...and senior Party members...and other Party members...and members of the security forces...
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
Byron100 wrote:
I really, really, REALLY hope humans become extinct before we go back to the age of slavery, as there is just no point in being human if most individuals have to live sh*t lives. And I mean this, with all my heart and soul.
Unfortunately, we're still in the age of slavery. There is slavery even in developed countries.
modern slavery _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
Jack wrote:
Byron100 wrote:
There is communism, where everyone is equal...everyone produces the same, everyone gets the same. No one gets a free ride, no one gets to live off the production of others.
Except the General Secretary...and senior Party members...and other Party members...and members of the security forces...
But that was in a nation in which people weren't allowed to have guns. In a place where people are allowed to keep their guns, such a system just might work. One requirement would be the widespread encouragement of unlimited jealously, one of my fave emotions...hehe. "If I can't have the goods, neither can you."
In any case, I really do think that the "entitlement" mentality will prevent a return to slavery in places such as the US...it's just far easier to pop a cap in whoever "owners" are still trying to run things and take what they have as opposed to dropping one's drawers and taking it up the rear end. Believe me, that's what we have in store for our future. _________________ Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide...
...and the meek shall inherit the Earth!
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
Ludi wrote:
Byron100 wrote:
I really, really, REALLY hope humans become extinct before we go back to the age of slavery, as there is just no point in being human if most individuals have to live sh*t lives. And I mean this, with all my heart and soul.
Unfortunately, we're still in the age of slavery. There is slavery even in developed countries. modern slavery
I do concur....and for this reason, I sometimes wish I'd see a very, very bright light outside my window, like what the dinosaurs saw 65 million years ago.
I know, it's too much to wish for, but dang...if only.... _________________ Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide...
...and the meek shall inherit the Earth!
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
The benefits of slavery were opened to poor whites as well as poor blacks after the Civil War. Most of the south’s industry had been destroyed by the Republican Army. The revitalization of agriculture was the only option. Share cropping was introduced.
The issue of race kept poor whites and poor blacks from realizing they were in the same predicament.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
Byron100 wrote:
I firmly disagree. There is communism, where everyone is equal...everyone produces the same, everyone gets the same. No one gets a free ride, no one gets to live off the production of others.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
Someone said enslavement. Looks like another weirdo will be excluded from Steve Jobless's 1 billionth iPhone victory pyramid. How could you sign your own death warrant like that? _________________ People first, then things, then dollars.
There will be enslavement, cannibalism, & zombie invasions.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
Byron100 wrote:
I really, really, REALLY hope humans become extinct before we go back to the age of slavery, as there is just no point in being human if most individuals have to live sh*t lives. And I mean this, with all my heart and soul.
Oh I don't know. I think you might be hung up on the stereotypical Southern plantation slave.
In Roman times most slaves were treated quite well and they even had rights. I mean you really wouldn't want to damage your property now would you? For some they might be better off as slaves. Slave owner provides food and shelter and the slave provides work. Some might find that a better alternative than begging for food and sleeping in an alleyway. _________________ Nothing is more dangerous than a man with nothing left to lose but has everything left to gain.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Slavery by another name
Byron100 wrote:
Cashmere wrote:
With the exception of the FF age, the story of history has been the same: a few on top, most on the bottom. We'll return to that because no other model works.
I firmly disagree. There is communism, where everyone is equal...everyone produces the same, everyone gets the same. No one gets a free ride, no one gets to live off the production of others.
Can you give an example where this has worked?????
Communism = Small elite controlling everything and the rest being equal (having nothing) _________________ It's not a bailout, it's a buy-in" - Nancy Pelosi
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There is slavery even in developed countries.
