Sarajevo Survival List

erl · Intermediate Crude Joined: Mar 21, 2005 Posts: 795

I found this on a website. I don't know how useful or accurate this list is. Also, depends a great deal upon whether it's a slow crash or a rapid crash, or whether war is local or remote. But, here it is anyway. FYI.

Ebyss · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:07 am Post subject:

Where did you get it erl? If it's real (and I have no reason to say it's not) then I think the last few comments are very sad, not to mention depressing.
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erl · Intermediate Crude Joined: Mar 21, 2005 Posts: 795

I've seen this list a couple of times. I don't remember the first, it was a while ago. I recently found the list again at:

Zion's Camp

The group is part of the LDS (mormon) Patriot movement.

I can't speak for their politics but the food storage info is comprehensive.

And, I agree with you Ebyss. I found the comments at the end more interesting and informative than the list itself.

erl

Revi · Fusion Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Posts: 3521 Location: Maine

I just read a bit about Sarajevo and was thinking that it may be a lot like peak oil. Thanks! I have most of what's on the list and will start to get the other stuff together.

Claudia · Heavy Crude Joined: May 26, 2005 Posts: 112

This is an extremely interesting list. I printed it out and will slowly make my way through it. Many of these items make sense to have stores of in case of general emergency, even "normal" emergencies like transportation strikes or hurricanes. Fore some reason this list seems more human to me than most of the government emergency-preparation lists.

Leanan · News Editor Joined: May 20, 2004 Posts: 4582

What is "Survival In a Can"?

TheTurtle · Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:11 am Post subject:

Leanan · News Editor Joined: May 20, 2004 Posts: 4582

I've never seen that before. What, exactly, is in it? How big is it?

TheTurtle · Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:46 am Post subject:

Birch · Tar Sands Joined: Jun 06, 2005 Posts: 25

I think these lists are overboard. This, to me, sounds like hoarding. If someone needs cologne and rouge for their 'humanity', then they've likely lost it some time ago. That's too bad. But seriously, all this is unnecessary. As I see it, th trick is to reduce what you need. That's the biggest goal in adapting to changing situations. Reduce your needs. You can't reduce your needs by acquiring things, but you can by learning skills and increasing your general fitness and health and stamina. Nurturing your creativity is probably the most effective skill. If you can learn how to look at your needs, look at the situation, and creatively make your own methods for filling those needs, then you're in a much better place.

Here's an example:

I need clean water. I need to cook some foods. How can I do this with the minimum amount of stuff, with the least amount of effort, in the least amount of time? Here's where I'm at so far:

Take an aluminum pie plate (free with pie!) and three aluminum tent pegs. Pierce the three tent pegs through the pie plate, and into the ground. Measure the distance between the pegs to match your cook pot. This is a tripod. On top of the pie plate place twigs. Light the twigs, using birch bark or pine needles or dry moss or whatever. Lower and raise the pie plate (and the heat) by sticking three rocks under the pie plate. There's your stove. It weights about... maybe 60g? Even less if you consider that the tent pegs can be used for a tent/tarp.

So it's a pie plate. Dry twigs or bits of combustible material can be found anywhere, even in the rain. Because the fire is so close to the pot, and because the pie plate reflects up the heat, you need to use very very little wood. It's also leave no trace as the ground doesn't even get warm and all the ashes remain on the pie plate, to be dealt with as you see fit. I used this method for four months in the bush, with the same pie plate and pegs. It's light, cheap, compact and easy to obtain. The fuel source carries itself. If it starts to downpour, grab some tinder, shove it under your rain cover of your pack.

As you're cooking pile up wet sticks around the fire to dry them out. If you just can't get the fire started, try hand sanitizer (alcohol), or some other fuel.

Using large grills and 350 people pots, with a few friends we've provided over 1000 meals in a day, all with firewood, and not that much of it. Dig a trench long enough for the two large pots. Line it with scrap sheet metal to keep the roots from catching fire and to reflect heat. Put on two big grills (we used old fire escape sections), light up your wood. Dig one side of the trench out so you can slide wood in. Make one side your hot coal simmer. One pot is for constant hot water, the other is for your soup/stew (on the coal side).

kelee877 · Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:34 am Post subject:

I for one think the list is an excellent idea..I am now making list to hand over to the hubby and he will keep in his vehicle and look for some things..never thought of number 13..great idea..as for plastic tubs containers..I store all of my food in plastic tots that would hold water and all of my water is stored in 2 litre plastic pop bottles..and all of my flour,beans and rice(well all dried goods are in ziplock sandwich bags) can always re-use those..

kelee877 · Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:45 am Post subject:

number 69..no need for traps here is a simple one..bucket decent size so mice cannot get out..string a pop can across the top putting string through small holes you have made in can(so it twirls) attach to each side of the bucket at the top..and then place a board against the bucket so mice will climb up...now put a bit of peanut butter on the wood and the pop can..when the mouse takes the bait pop can will twirl and fall into bucket..also put water in the bucket enough so that mouse will drown, but not enough that it can get out..

spear · Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:

You may also want an "Estwing" axe.On my recent visit to the US,thats what I chose to bring back with me.Along with a shitload of Levis , a couple pairs of Redwings and a nice Carhart jacket.
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countrysidegirl · Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:43 am Post subject:

I can totally see where you would need something to lift your spirits. If things came down to haveing to live on what you had and you couldn't get anything else, it could get depressing. I dont think they were saying someone needed rouge everyday just to be able to make it.

I purpose that everyone here should take what we call on another board "The Pantry Challenge". The challenge is to go a month on just what you have in your pantry, of course on the other board (which is about frugalness) you are allowed $25 per person to buy milk & produce. This will help you see the short falls of your pantry/supplies.

Another good excerise it to have a "Black Out" weekend. Turn it off at the meter box and go the weekend without electricity and see what short falls you have in your supplies.