For some reason you got your underwear all bundled up in a knot over this statement.
I'm only upset about Nazi assholes like you. If PO truly leads to a complete societal breakdown, I'll enjoy the chance to kill you little shits.
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Lets take a survey of some of the conflicts raging around the world and see who is involved:
And you quite convieniently left out dozens of conflicts that involve no Muslims at all.
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Bosnia -- Muslims vs Serbians
Oh, you got to be farking kidding. You blame ex-Yugoslavia's troubles on Islam!?
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Ivory coast -- Muslims vs indigenous, christian
Great, like Islam is the problem. True Islam would be a tremendously good thing for a lot of West Africa.
(etc etc, I'm not going to waste my time on you to comment these all, or any properly)
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Kosovo -- Muslims vs Serbs
And you blame the Albanians? What an asshole.
There was a refugee center about a mile from where I lived back during the Kosovo war, in the middle of rural nowhereland - the village suddenly ended up with Muslims as the majority population for a while. They were good people, there was no trouble whatsoever.
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Kurdistan -- Muslims vs christians
WTF?! Kurdistan?! Christians?! That's about nationalism - which is going to bring the Kurds into conflict with many other Islamic peoples. Religion has little to do with it. Who the hell are the Christians here?!
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Chechnya -- Muslims vs russia
And every sane person supports the Chechens.
It's pretty much the same thing with most of the conflicts - they aren't about religion at all.
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Now, If I was an alien statistician who just landed on earth from mars. I might come to the conclusion that muslims have a little bit of
No, I can easily come to the conclusion that you listed a bunch of conflicts that don't have anything to do with Islam except that they have Muslims - in some cases as mostly innocent victims. What the hell am I supposed to think of this?
Nazi shithead. If there's a dieoff, I truly hope you're among the first, scum. You people truly deserve it.
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I'm certain that the majority of SS were christians, prob even GOOD christians, at least until the disassociative training of nationalism, fascism, war and genocide warped them.
Most of the armies currently trying to subjugate Iraq (+100,000 dead) are from nominally christian countries. The country that dropped the 1st & 2nd ('experimental') nuclear bombs on civilians was christian. The recent invasions of Haiti, Panama, Afghanistan, Vietnam, the carpet bombing of Laos & Cambodia, the 'Malayan Emergency'(1950's), the Algerian War of Independence - the aggressors in all of these were 'christian' nations. Jesus seems to have been a great guy, but many of those who claim to be his followers are homicidal maniacs.
There are certainly evil muslims, and evil christians, and prob even evil quakers (aint met one yet tho). But trying to attach -ve labels to them without 100 times the evidence shown so far is plain stupid. I doubt ANY useful generalisation can be made about +1billion people living in dozens of countries.
The ignorance of Seldomseens' is tedious to rebut, but fascism thrives on ignorance. We'll soon discover if Ss (abrev.coincidence?) is just a troll pushing hate or a genuine poster capable of admitting s/he erred.
If I erred in anyway it was talking about politically correct subject matter.
Here in the united states we can't have an honest debate about illegal immigration because once the topic is breached shouts of "racist, xenophobe, skinhead, nazi" are sure to follow, thereby effectively muting any sort of rational debate.
It's the same with islamic immigration in to Europe. No where in any of my posts did I argue that all muslims are bad or evil (I did point out that sharia law forbids usury, which I think is a very good thing). Although you decided to twist my posts and imply that I did so...and then went on to imply that I'm an ignorant facist SS member.
That sort of elementary school name calling BS is what makes it futile to discuss such issues in a public forum.
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:22 pm Post subject:
seldom_seen wrote:
Liamj,
That sort of elementary school name calling BS is what makes it futile to discuss such issues in a public forum.
I agree, and i apologise. I did lose it at the end.
But i stand by my point that making fear-provoking generalisations about all muslims based on words of some muslims is not a wise thing to do. To turn the War on (of) Terror into a holy war could be omnicide.
Name the numbers & impacts of muslim immigration all you like, and all the certain incidents of muslim terrorism in the west. But i dare you to at the same time name the # of dead and maimed compared to when western nations colonise/globalise/occupy muslim countries. When you quote scary speakers specify WHICH diff faith/iman/ethnicity they're speaking to or for, because there are many of each of those.
You know now how misapplied nasty labels feel, try not to copy my crime.
I'm glad to see we're all getting along again. You know, you were both right until it got personal. Human history is stained with the blood of inequality and petty strife. And once religions start mixing it up, break out the hip waders. This board is about the one thing in all time that will either bring us together or completely tear us apart. I imagine the end will be the same: fewer of us more separated than ever. If some of us see this through to the end, let's agree to banish all this religious nonsense and just live. Any belief that segregates man from man is crap. Only mother nature reigns supreme. The whole human story represents only an afternoon in her eyes, let's try to get us to tommorow! _________________ remember-we don't inherit the earth from our parents, we lease it from our children
Name the numbers & impacts of muslim immigration all you like, and all the certain incidents of muslim terrorism in the west. But i dare you to at the same time name the # of dead and maimed compared to when western nations colonise/globalise/occupy muslim countries.
I won't argue with you on that point. I don't think any group of people has a monopoly on doing bad. Speaking of globalization, anyone seen the documentary Life and Debt about Jamaica and the IMF? It almost makes you wish for peak oil knowing that it will put an end to globalization.
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Any belief that segregates man from man is crap. Only mother nature reigns supreme. The whole human story represents only an afternoon in her eyes, let's try to get us to tommorow!
Well said dood.
I like this forum as it seems to have a large percentage of people who seem capable of independent and critical thought. Something that seems in short supply on other forums I participate in.
over and out,
seldom
"Fantastic doctrines (like Christianity or Islam or Marxism) require unanimity of belief. One dissenter casts doubt on the creed of millions. Thus the fear and the hate; thus the torture chamber, the iron stake, the gallows, the labor camp, the psychiatric ward." --Ed Abbey
I like this forum as it seems to have a large percentage of people who seem capable of independent and critical thought. Something that seems in short supply on other forums I participate in.
I'm begining to see two types of people-the happily spoon fed, and the thinkers! Now I'm not gonna name names, but geeez folks- if you're spending your time at this forum, you at least must agree oil depletion is real. Now sure, the Saudis may say they've got plenty of oil, OPEC may agree, but that doesn't begin to cover future demand and proven depletion everywhere else.
Additionally- we've been warned repeatedly, by world leaders and experts, that this is all going down soon. But don't take their word for it, look at their actions. VP Dick's energy policy meetings in early '01 are now considered a state secret. Matt Simmons attended! And they've fought to keep the those records sealed. Unocal tried to seduce the Taliban into running a NG pipeline through Afganistan, a decade ago. They balked, and we installed Hamid Karzi, an ex-Unocal suit! Thirteen years ago we turned off the spicket in Iraq. We lied to invade, and have now (happily) desposed, a dictator we supported.
Now I'll admit I've had a few drinks and am feeling abrasive, but use your f-ing heads people! Our (questionably) good deeds of the last century are no reason to believe we have an undeniable obligation to be acceptant of current events. I'm not even going to get into Central America, and how we've raped and pilaged those countries (ie- University of the Americas= terrorist training camp). Or our importation of drugs while spending billions on a war against it. Or maybe our current pledge to end tyranny, only in energy producing regions (not Africa). The writings on the wall, can you read? _________________ remember-we don't inherit the earth from our parents, we lease it from our children
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