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Leanan
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 Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:39 pm Post subject: THE Blackouts/Brownouts Thread (merged) |
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We're listening to the Yankees-Angels game on TV. Because they have no video, due to a partial blackout of the stadium.  |
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alexis
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KiddieKorral
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Imagine that happening in January. 
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Russian_Cowboy
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| KiddieKorral wrote: | | Imagine that happening in January:( |
Electricity is not used for winter heating in Moscow with rare exceptions. ~95% of all residential property is heated either directly with natural gas or, most of it, with water heated by burning coal or gas at the so-called "heat plants". I heard that a real serious heat outage took place in Moscow in 1979 when the temperature fell below -40 in December, but the city infrastructure was not supposed to handle temperatures below -30. |
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rockdoc123
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| leaf wrote: | | But signs of NO rioting...Russians are pretty calm. |
and that's because vodka is still a dollar a litre!  |
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heyhoser
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Blackout in Moscow : A Warning Sign |
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| alexis wrote: | | Moscow just had a major blackout probably due to old infrastructure. A warning sign ? Link |
Maybe a warning to hire more firemen. Remember kids, only you can prevent fire at an electrical substation. |
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Wildwell
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clv101
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| Russian_Cowboy wrote: | | KiddieKorral wrote: | | Imagine that happening in January. |
Electricity is not used for winter heating in Moscow with rare exceptions. ~95% of all residential property is heated either directly with natural gas or, most of it, with water heated by burning coal or gas at the so-called "heat plants." I heard that a real serious heat outage took place in Moscow in 1979 when the temperature fell below -40 in December, but the city infrastructure was not supposed to handle temperatures below -30. |
Electricity might not being used for heating directly but it's the little thinks like the central heating water pump that is, or even the ignition on the gas boiler.
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jaws
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| Putin is blaming it on Anatoly Chubais. Another oligarch headed for prison perhaps? |
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frankthetank
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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What about a fan on a furnace? Last time i checked you need electricity for that...
What would Americans do without American Idol if electricity goes out? |
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Russian_Cowboy
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| clv101 wrote: | | Electricity might not being used for heating directly but it's the little thinks like the central heating water pump that is, or even the ignition on the gas boiler. |
Unfortunately, you are right. If the electricity is shut off, so are the distribution pumps that take heating water from the city central heating system and pump it to the highrise apartment blocks.
| jaws wrote: | | Putin is blaming it on Anatoly Chubais. Another oligarch headed for prison perhaps? |
Looks like you are right. Putin is getting rid of his potential opponents.
http://www.russiajournal.com/news/cnews-article.shtml?nd=48216
| Quote: | MOSCOW — RAO UES chief Anatoliy Chubais will be summoned to the general prosecutor's office for questioning in connection with a criminal case filed against the company's management, Natalya Vishnyakova, spokesperson for the general prosecutor's office, has said at a news briefing in Moscow.
"We are aware that presently, he is involved in coping with this failure's aftermath and restoring the power supply, but shortly after that, within the next few hours, he will be summoned to the detective's office for questioning," she said.
Following the investigation, RAO UES managers may be charged with negligence and abuse of authority. The work of each executive and officer responsible for power supply will be evaluated during the investigation. The overall amount of damages caused by the failure will also be estimated. Vishnyakova noted that at present, it was difficult to estimate the scale of violations of citizens' rights in connection with this, but these violations were obviously significant, as human lives and health were put under threat.
The criminal case was filed in connection with blackouts in Moscow and a number of other regions |
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Kalinka
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Another example that shows how the fragility of our civilization...
I can't imagine being trapped in Moscow's subway - the distance between stops is huge and it's must be hot as in hell.. |
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Starvid
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The only thing this shows is that the russians can't take care of their power plants. Okay if power lines fail, they aren't checked everyday, but a plant? There have to be people at it everyday! Also, the plant was built in the fifties, and I figure maintenance wasn't really a priority.
Lesson: Take care of stuff or it breaks.
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Rodimus
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 3:30 am Post subject: More on this |
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Here's more about the Muscovites' reaction.
Wednesday was quite the unusual day for Muscovites - whether they were trapped underground in suddenly still, unlit subway trains, getting stuck in elevators, or simply unable to get to and from work and buy ice-cream. The blackout that Russian officials had said would never happen affected half the city directly and the rest indirectly, by interrupting the traffic and tying up phone lines.
Moscow Blackout: Odd Moments |
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alexis
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Suddenly the lights blinked and the hot water stopped running. “Here I am, covered in soap, and thinking, oh ****, the heater has burned out the fuses.” When he discovered the apartment next door also had no electricity, he guessed that his heater had taken out the entire building. “Later we found out that half of Moscow was out. But I still think it was all because of my water heater,” Kaganov says.
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