I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
...that 19 Arabs seized 4 US airliners using nothing but box-cutters and used them as flying bombs to attack targets in the most heavily traveled, heavily watched airspace in the world. They took the entire US air defense system by surprise. So much so, that jets were not launched for as long as 80 minutes, an incredible delay considering that it is standard routine to intercept any aircraft that deviates from its flight path within minutes. In the case of the Pentagon plane, it flew toward it's target unmolested by any intercepting fighters whatsoever. The Pentagon's air defense systems were not activated.
Its flight characteristics demonstrated the skills of a very experienced pilot.
Now I could go on and on and cover subjects like the WTC7 building. I could write about the unusually large lots of put options placed on American and United Airlines, Merrill Lynch whos owners never came forth to claim them but whose names and addresses are easily availabl to law enforcement personnel. This story died a quick death in the media - hushed up completely.
But suffice it to say that I don't believe the above conspiracy theory. I find it impossible to swallow. What DO I believe?
I belive that since Ken Starr spent about $600 million in the nineties investigating Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky, that it would not be unreasonable to spend an equivalent amount independently investigating the events of 911.
The Commission, you say? Let me finish my post with the following:
by Dr. David Ray Griffin
9/11 Visibility Project
Sunday, May 22, 2005
In discussing my second 9/11 book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, I have often said, only half in jest, that a better title might have been “a 571-page lie.” (Actually, I was saying “a 567-page lie,” because I was forgetting to count the four pages of the Preface.) In making this statement, one of my points has been that the entire Report is constructed in support of one big lie: that the official story about 9/11 is true.
[All 115 major points available at link above.]
1. The omission of evidence that at least six of the alleged hijackers---including Waleed al-Shehri, said by the Commission probably to have stabbed a flight attendant on Flight 11 before it crashed into the North Tower of the WTC---are still alive (19-20).
2. The omission of evidence about Mohamed Atta---such as his reported fondness for alcohol, pork, and lap dances---that is in tension with the Commission’s claim that he had become fanatically religious (20-21).
3. The obfuscation of the evidence that Hani Hanjour was too poor a pilot to have flown an airliner into the Pentagon (21-22).
4. The omission of the fact that the publicly released flight manifests contain no Arab names (23).
5. The omission of the fact that fire has never, before or after 9/11, caused steel-frame buildings to collapse (25).
6. The omission of the fact that the fires in the Twin Towers were not very big, very hot, or very long-lasting compared with fires in several steel-frame buildings that did not collapse (25-26).
7. The omission of the fact that, given the hypothesis that the collapses were caused by fire, the South Tower, which was struck later than the North Tower and also had smaller fires, should not have collapsed first (26).
8. The omission of the fact that WTC 7 (which was not hit by an airplane and which had only small, localized fires) also collapsed---an occurrence that FEMA admitted it could not explain (26).
9. The omission of the fact that the collapse of the Twin Towers (like that of Building 7) exemplified at least 10 features suggestive of controlled demolition (26-27).
10. The claim that the core of each of the Twin Towers was “a hollow steel shaft”---a claim that denied the existence of the 47 massive steel columns that in reality constituted the core of each tower and that, given the “pancake theory” of the collapses, should have still been sticking up many hundreds of feet in the air (27-2Cool.
11. The omission of Larry Silverstein’s statement that he and the fire department commander decided to “pull” Building 7 (2Cool.
12. The omission of the fact that the steel from the WTC buildings was quickly removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas before it could be analyzed for evidence of explosives (30).
13. The omission of the fact that because Building 7 had been evacuated before it collapsed, the official reason for the rapid removal of the steel---that some people might still be alive in the rubble under the steel---made no sense in this case (30).
14. The omission of Mayor Giuliani’s statement that he had received word that the World Trade Center was going to collapse (30-31).
15. The omission of the fact that President Bush’s brother Marvin and his cousin Wirt Walker III were both principals in the company in charge of security for the WTC (31-32).
16. The omission of the fact that the west wing of the Pentagon would have been the least likely spot to be targeted by al-Qaeda terrorists, for several reasons (33-34).
17. The omission of any discussion of whether the damage done to the Pentagon was consistent with the impact of a Boeing 757 going several hundred miles per hour (34).
18. The omission of the fact that there are photos showing that the west wing’s façade did not collapse until 30 minutes after the strike and also that the entrance hole appears too small for a Boeing 757 to have entered (34).
19. The omission of all testimony that has been used to cast doubt on whether remains of a Boeing 757 were visible either inside or outside the Pentagon (34-36).
20. The omission of any discussion of whether the Pentagon has a anti-missile defense system that would have brought down a commercial airliner---even though the Commission suggested that the al-Qaeda terrorists did not attack a nuclear power plant because they assumed that it would be thus defended (36).
44. The omission of the fact that General Mahmoud Ahmad, the head of Pakistan’s intelligence agency (the ISI), was in Washington the week prior to 9/11, meeting with CIA chief George Tenet and other US officials (103-04).
45. The omission of evidence that ISI chief Ahmad had ordered $100,000 to be sent to Mohamed Atta prior to 9/11 (104-07).
46. The Commission’s claim that it found no evidence that any foreign government, including Pakistan, had provided funding for the al-Qaeda operatives (106).
47. The omission of the report that the Bush administration pressured Pakistan to dismiss Ahmad as ISI chief after the appearance of the story that he had ordered ISI money sent to Atta (107-09).
48. The omission of evidence that the ISI (and not merely al-Qaeda) was behind the assassination of Ahmad Shah Masood (the leader of Afghanistan’s Northern Alliance), which occurred just after the week-long meeting between the heads of the CIA and the ISI (110-112).
53. The omission of the fact that The Project for the New American Century, many members of which became key figures in the Bush administration, published a document in 2000 saying that “a new Pearl Harbor” would aid its goal of obtaining funding for a rapid technological transformation of the US military (117-1Cool.
56. The omission of the fact that Unocal had declared that the Taliban could not provide adequate security for it to go ahead with its oil-and-gas pipeline from the Caspian region through Afghanistan and Pakistan (122-25).
57. The omission of the report that at a meeting in July 2001, US representatives said that because the Taliban refused to agree to a US proposal that would allow the pipeline project to go forward, a war against them would begin by October (125-26).
58. The omission of the fact that Zbigniew Brzezinski in his 1997 book had said that for the United States to maintain global primacy, it needed to gain control of Central Asia, with its vast petroleum reserves, and that a new Pearl Harbor would be helpful in getting the US public to support this imperial effort (127-2Cool.
59. The omission of evidence that some key members of the Bush administration, including Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz, had been agitating for a war with Iraq for many years (129-33).
63. The claim that in those days there were only two air force bases in NORAD’s Northeast sector that kept fighters on alert and that, in particular, there were no fighters on alert at either McGuire or Andrews (159-162).
64. The omission of evidence that Andrews Air Force Base did keep several fighters on alert at all times (162-64).
65. The acceptance of the twofold claim that Colonel Marr of NEADS had to telephone a superior to get permission to have fighters scrambled from Otis and that this call required eight minutes (165-66).
66. The endorsement of the claim that the loss of an airplane’s transponder signal makes it virtually impossible for the US military’s radar to track that plane (166-67).
67. The claim that the Payne Stewart interception did not show NORAD’s response time to Flight 11 to be extraordinarily slow (167-69).
68. The claim that the Otis fighters were not airborne until seven minutes after they received the scramble order because they did not know where to go (174-75).
69. The claim that the US military did not know about the hijacking of Flight 175 until 9:03, when it was crashing into the South Tower (181-82).
76. The claim that Flight 77 flew almost 40 minutes through American airspace towards Washington without being detected by the military’s radar (191-92).
94. The omission of any exploration of why General Montague Winfield not only had a rookie (Captain Leidig) take over his role as the NMCC’s Director of Operations but also left him in charge after it was clear that the Pentagon was facing an unprecedented crisis (235-36).
95. The claim that the FAA (falsely) notified the Secret Service between 10:10 and 10:15 that Flight 93 was still up and headed towards Washington (237).
96. The claim that Vice President Cheney did not give the shoot-down authorization until after 10:10 (several minutes after Flight 93 had crashed) and that this authorization was not transmitted to the US military until 10:31 (237-41).
97. The omission of all the evidence indicating that Flight 93 was shot down by a military plane (238-39, 252-53).
109. The failure to probe the issue of how the “war games” scheduled for that day were related to the military’s failure to intercept the hijacked airliners (268-69).
113. The failure to point out that the White House first sought to prevent the creation of a 9/11 Commission, then placed many obstacles in its path, including giving it extremely meager funding (283-85).
114. The failure to point out that the Commission’s chairman, most of the other commissioners, and at least half of the staff had serious conflicts of interest (285-90, 292-95).
115. The failure of the Commission, while bragging that it presented its final report “without dissent,” to point out that this was probably possible only because Max Cleland, the commissioner who was most critical of the White House and swore that he would not be part of “looking at information only partially,” had to resign in order to accept a position with the Export-Import Bank, and that the White House forwarded his nomination for this position only after he was becoming quite outspoken in his criticisms (290-291).
I will close by pointing out that I concluded my study of what I came to call “the Kean-Zelikow Report” by writing that it, “far from lessening my suspicions about official complicity, has served to confirm them. Why would the minds in charge of this final report engage in such deception if they were not trying to cover up very high crimes?” (291) _________________ "May you live in interesting times"
Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 3:20 pm Post subject: Halftime Report On Jimmy Walter 911 Eurotour
Halftime Report On
Jimmy Walter 911 Eurotour
By Webster G. Tarpley
5-31-5
MADRID -- The Re-Open 9/11 European Tour organized and publicized by American philanthropist Jimmy Walter - now approaching its halfway mark - has already scored a significant success in moving world public opinion on this issue. The tour, which kicked off in Amsterdam on May 18 and will end in Rome on June 9, takes two international teams of speakers, plus a documentary film program, to eight European cities in seven countries. Among the participants are Canadian television producer and media critic Barrie Zwicker, French activist Thierry Meyssan, the president of the Réseau Voltaire, and leading Dutch 9/11 researcher Daan DeWit, who maintains the daanspeak.com website. Joining them from the US are Twin Towers hero William Rodriguez, filmmaker Penny Little, lawyer Philip Berg (who is suing the Bush administration under the RICO statute), Kennedy assassination author Lisa Pease, 9/11 victim Rachel Hughes, and writers Chris Bollyn, Eric Hufschmidt, and Webster Tarpley.
In the kickoff press conference in Amsterdam on May 18, Jimmy Walter forecast that, because of the increasing political crisis of the Bush administration, as well as of the looming bankruptcy of the US government as well as of leading US companies like General Motors and Ford, we must reckon with new terrorist actions, prepared with the connivance of US government circles, before the end of this year. Dismissing the official 9/11 commission report as misleading and worthless, Walter called for the 9/11 investigation to be re-opened, with Europe playing a leading role in the creation of an International Truth Commission on the Events of September 11, 2001. Walter urged that every effort be made to get the International Truth Commission up and running this year.
Two evenings of intensive discussion in Amsterdam turned out a total of about 800 people. Dutch national radio and one of the main commercial television networks broadcast interviews with Jimmy Walter, with many press articles also being generated, in addition to the paid advertising which is going out in every city on the tour schedule. Daniel DeWit, the most prominent Dutch 9/11 critic, endorsed the International Commission and urged the Dutch public to join this effort. The Berlin events drew about 200, with a strong presence of leading journalists like Juergen Elsaesser, along with 9/11 activists, many of whom committed to the organizing process for the International Truth Commission. The Berlin events were held at the Urania, the world,s oldest institution for popular scientific education. After the meetings, a group of veteran German activists set up an ad hoc Berlin committee to help organize the International Truth Commission.
The two Paris events drew about 550 people. The master of ceremonies for these events was Thierry Meyssan, who shortly after 9/11 published his landmark analysis that no commercial airliner had hit then Pentagon. Meyssan pointed out that as of now, the only countries in where the official Bush regime account of 9/11 is untouchable by the mass media are the US, UK, Israel, and France. He compared French intellectuals who refuse to challenge Bush,s 9/11 lies to the members of a French anti-fascist committee of 1936 who refused to accept clear evidence that the burning of the Berlin Reichstag in 1933 had been a provocation organized by the Nazis themselves. It was only around 1960 that academics accepted the truth about the Reichstag fire. Meyssan paid tribute to Jimmy Walter for helping to "free the world from the likes of 9/11 with his worldwide public education campaigns.
Thierry Meyssan announced a conference to be sponsored by the Réseau Voltaire in Paris on November 4-5 of this year for the purpose of defending the concepts of international law and national sovereignty against the neocon unilateralist campaign, spearheaded by such figures as John Bolton, to destroy the United Nations. Meyssan expressed the hope that this conference would be attended by a broad range of intellectuals from 40 countries, for all of whom the real history of 9/11 remains an open question. "Résistons aux mensonges n,acceptons pas les mensonges, said Meyssan in concluding "Let us fight the lies, don,t accept the lies. The 9/11 story is false, Bush was never elected, the invasion of Afghanistan was a crime, there never were any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, he stressed.
The attendance at the Paris events was all the more remarkable because it coincided with the final phase of the binding French referendum on the draft European Union constitution, a repugnant document which would make oligarchy, free trade, and globalization the basic law of 25 countries. Mass mobilization in Paris is on the side of rejecting this document, while big money and big media are attempting to secure its approval in today,s vote. A June 1 advisory referendum in the Netherlands, also intersected by the tour, is also likely to reject the constitution.
In Madrid, Jimmy Walter is scheduled to meet on Tuesday May 31 with families of the victims of the March 11, 2004 train bombings in this city, which led to a mass mobilization of the Spanish people and against the politicians who sought to profit from these tragic events. Then the tour will move on the Vienna, a nodal point for European relations with the Middle East. In London and Manchester, the events are being built with the help of the main UK 9/11 activist groups, including Simon Aronowitz of Thought Crime News. The Rome meetings will be addressed by Maurizio Blondet, the Milan journalist who is the author of the main critical study 9/11 in Italian.
During 2004, Jimmy Walter spent $4.5 million on advertising critical of the official US 9/11 story, including over 2,000 TV spots in New York City. He commissioned the famous Zogby International poll of August 2004 which showed about half of New York City residents rejecting the official story. Walter,s DVD of the Manhattan Center 9/11 truth rally of September 11, 2004 is being offered free of charge through the www.reopen911.org website. A quarter million of these DVDs are being distributed. Walter has announced another 100,000 DVDs in the form of subtitled versions in French, German, Italian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Japanese.
Halftime Report On Jimmy Walter 911 Eurotour
By Webster G. Tarpley
5-31-5
MADRID -- The Re-Open 9/11 European Tour organized and publicized by American philanthropist Jimmy Walter - now approaching its halfway mark - has already scored a significant success in moving world public opinion on this issue. The tour, which kicked off in Amsterdam on May 18 and will end in Rome on June 9, takes two international teams of speakers, plus a documentary film program, to eight European cities in seven countries. Among the participants are Canadian television producer and media critic Barrie Zwicker, French activist Thierry Meyssan, the president of the Réseau Voltaire, and leading Dutch 9/11 researcher Daan DeWit, who maintains the daanspeak.com website. Joining them from the US are Twin Towers hero William Rodriguez, filmmaker Penny Little, lawyer Philip Berg (who is suing the Bush administration under the RICO statute), Kennedy assassination author Lisa Pease, 9/11 victim Rachel Hughes, and writers Chris Bollyn, Eric Hufschmidt, and Webster Tarpley.
In the kickoff press conference in Amsterdam on May 18, Jimmy Walter forecast that, because of the increasing political crisis of the Bush administration, as well as of the looming bankruptcy of the US government as well as of leading US companies like General Motors and Ford, we must reckon with new terrorist actions, prepared with the connivance of US government circles, before the end of this year. Dismissing the official 9/11 commission report as misleading and worthless, Walter called for the 9/11 investigation to be re-opened, with Europe playing a leading role in the creation of an International Truth Commission on the Events of September 11, 2001. Walter urged that every effort be made to get the International Truth Commission up and running this year.
Two evenings of intensive discussion in Amsterdam turned out a total of about 800 people. Dutch national radio and one of the main commercial television networks broadcast interviews with Jimmy Walter, with many press articles also being generated, in addition to the paid advertising which is going out in every city on the tour schedule. Daniel DeWit, the most prominent Dutch 9/11 critic, endorsed the International Commission and urged the Dutch public to join this effort. The Berlin events drew about 200, with a strong presence of leading journalists like Juergen Elsaesser, along with 9/11 activists, many of whom committed to the organizing process for the International Truth Commission. The Berlin events were held at the Urania, the world,s oldest institution for popular scientific education. After the meetings, a group of veteran German activists set up an ad hoc Berlin committee to help organize the International Truth Commission.
The two Paris events drew about 550 people. The master of ceremonies for these events was Thierry Meyssan, who shortly after 9/11 published his landmark analysis that no commercial airliner had hit then Pentagon. Meyssan pointed out that as of now, the only countries in where the official Bush regime account of 9/11 is untouchable by the mass media are the US, UK, Israel, and France. He compared French intellectuals who refuse to challenge Bush,s 9/11 lies to the members of a French anti-fascist committee of 1936 who refused to accept clear evidence that the burning of the Berlin Reichstag in 1933 had been a provocation organized by the Nazis themselves. It was only around 1960 that academics accepted the truth about the Reichstag fire. Meyssan paid tribute to Jimmy Walter for helping to "free the world from the likes of 9/11 with his worldwide public education campaigns.
Thierry Meyssan announced a conference to be sponsored by the Réseau Voltaire in Paris on November 4-5 of this year for the purpose of defending the concepts of international law and national sovereignty against the neocon unilateralist campaign, spearheaded by such figures as John Bolton, to destroy the United Nations. Meyssan expressed the hope that this conference would be attended by a broad range of intellectuals from 40 countries, for all of whom the real history of 9/11 remains an open question. "Résistons aux mensonges n,acceptons pas les mensonges, said Meyssan in concluding "Let us fight the lies, don,t accept the lies. The 9/11 story is false, Bush was never elected, the invasion of Afghanistan was a crime, there never were any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, he stressed.
The attendance at the Paris events was all the more remarkable because it coincided with the final phase of the binding French referendum on the draft European Union constitution, a repugnant document which would make oligarchy, free trade, and globalization the basic law of 25 countries. Mass mobilization in Paris is on the side of rejecting this document, while big money and big media are attempting to secure its approval in today,s vote. A June 1 advisory referendum in the Netherlands, also intersected by the tour, is also likely to reject the constitution.
In Madrid, Jimmy Walter is scheduled to meet on Tuesday May 31 with families of the victims of the March 11, 2004 train bombings in this city, which led to a mass mobilization of the Spanish people and against the politicians who sought to profit from these tragic events. Then the tour will move on the Vienna, a nodal point for European relations with the Middle East. In London and Manchester, the events are being built with the help of the main UK 9/11 activist groups, including Simon Aronowitz of Thought Crime News. The Rome meetings will be addressed by Maurizio Blondet, the Milan journalist who is the author of the main critical study 9/11 in Italian.
During 2004, Jimmy Walter spent $4.5 million on advertising critical of the official US 9/11 story, including over 2,000 TV spots in New York City. He commissioned the famous Zogby International poll of August 2004 which showed about half of New York City residents rejecting the official story. Walter,s DVD of the Manhattan Center 9/11 truth rally of September 11, 2004 is being offered free of charge through the www.reopen911.org website. A quarter million of these DVDs are being distributed. Walter has announced another 100,000 DVDs in the form of subtitled versions in French, German, Italian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Japanese. _________________ "May you live in interesting times"
The Commission, you say? Let me finish my post with the following: ..a bunch of stuff..
And you really believe all that rubbish?
No Phil, 'Belief' is a word generally used to express an affinity for or faith in a religious idea---much like your apparent unquestioning hypnotic attraction to your govt.'s body of deceitful dogma. Now, go get some of your favorite cultural artifacts, like a flag, apple pie (dessicated and varnished), bible. Mount these on a platform of your choice with the framed govt explanation of 911 events. Light some candles and ---Presto! You have an actual altar you bow down to, when you've tired of evangelizing for the fascist thugs here.
Ha ha ha ha you crack me up!!!!!! Keep it coming. Alleluia! Praise Griffin! He said it so it MUST be true and the government is a bunch of liars who are out to get us all. Now where's my Michigan Millitia membership card......
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:41 am Post subject:
PhilBiker wrote:
Ha ha ha ha you crack me up!!!!!! Keep it coming. Alleluia! Praise Griffin! He said it so it MUST be true and the government is a bunch of liars who are out to get us all. Now where's my Michigan Millitia membership card......
Just like the govt. and the mainstream media said it happened a certain way too. The Pentagon has repeatedly lied (ex. Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman, Abu G., Guantanamo, etc.) about an enormous amount of things to sway public opinion and the mainstream media refuses to cover real news (Peak Oil, the Downing Street memo, etc.) and you believe their story?
And this fool is calling us wackos?
Christ, you might as well fire that shrink you got to help you through PO and get another one because your current one isn't doing the job. Follow the money trail, Mr. Self-Proclaimed Skeptic, and you might learn something.
BTW, all my passive agressive comments/insults on your brain capacity/mental state/the relatives that you probably have slept with aren't, quote "personal" they're just, quote "interenet talk".
I grow tired of this one.
Hey Phil, did you know the Earth is flat too? _________________ "Your failure to be informed does not make me a wacko." - John Loeffler
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:13 am Post subject:
And if Brit Hume, Novak, Hannity, Scarborough, Blitzer, etc. say something you believe it?
You want the real news? The "runnaway bride" has agreed to pay over 13 Grand as repayment for what it cost to find her. Thank God we all know that.
Go to Keyhole.com, sign up for the free week trial membership, and click on the map of Afghanistan and zoom in. You can see the pipeline they're building.
Quote:
Just like the govt. and the mainstream media said it happened a certain way too. The Pentagon has repeatedly lied (ex. Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman, Abu G., Guantanamo, etc.) about an enormous amount of things to sway public opinion and the mainstream media refuses to cover real news (Peak Oil, the Downing Street memo, etc.) and you believe their story?
- They're known liars and anyone who is paying attention knows it.
Go back to sleep, Phil. _________________ "Your failure to be informed does not make me a wacko." - John Loeffler
Now, as always in these infantile debates, you've declared that since I don't buy into these ridicuous conspiracy theories, that can automatically only mean that I lap up everything the mainstream media tells me.
Yeah, right ...
I was wondering how long it would take for that stupidity to come out again.
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:56 am Post subject:
Uh-huh........like attacking the credibility and insulting the personal character of everyone that you don't agree with is mature behavior?
Love the cartoon faces. Who's the infant again?
Everythings' fine....................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........... _________________ "Your failure to be informed does not make me a wacko." - John Loeffler
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:31 pm Post subject:
Keep insulting people and attacking the messenger and you'll have tons of crediblity yourself........just like your boy Jay H. Morrison.
Face it man, if the media/journalists would have done their job (i.e. asking why the steel from WTC was hauled off before explosive tests could be done; or why the Secret Service Protective Detail sat around with their thumbs up their asses; or why the footage from the Pentagon gas station - source - National Geographic has not been released; or why the steel-frame WTC #7 collapsed because of two small fires; or why no fighter jets were scrambled in time even though that is the only job those pilots train for......and on.......and on.......and on) then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
The media didn't do their job. Why the Fark not? Huh? Too busy covering the shark attacks that occured (ironically below average) that summer, I suppose.
They didn't do their job with regards to Iraq and all the LIES surrounding that either. I suppose you believe that we really believed our "faulty intellegence" too and that is why we invaded that country.
We all know Iran is next. We all know it's coming.
Yet I'm the wacko. Yet the people who are actually questioning the govt. and have put together books and documentation so good that they make the "official 9/11 commission" book look like a kindergarden project, are the frigging wackos.
George H.W. Bush was a farking liar..........William J. Clinton was a farking liar............George W. Bush is a farking liar.........Cheney, Rumsfeld, Evans, Wolfowitz, Rice all are farking liars and yet the people who question their actions and intentions are the trouble makers and the wackos.
War crimes didn't occur because this administration said they didn't, yet the rest of the world (Red Cross, Amenesty International, etc.) says they did.
Right and it's Newsweek's fault for the rioting in Afghanastan.
People forget that Dubya has gone to great lengths to hinder the 9/11 investigation and stone-walled it for most of his first term. Yet those people trying to get information released are the wackos.
Official story: The majority of the hijackers were Saudis, yet we didn't go after Saudi Arabia. WHY THE Fark NOT? Bush said that we would go after countries that harbored terrorists. Sounds like the Saudis have a lot to do with it.........at least according to the "official story", yet we didn't go after them. WHY NOT?
Instead we attacked a country that had nothing to do with the "official 9/11" story. DOES THAT MAKE ANY GODDAMN SENSE?
No, it doesn't.........yet I'm the wacko. And you're cautioning me about credibility? Good God.
Go back to sleep Mr. Sane and Rational. _________________ "Your failure to be informed does not make me a wacko." - John Loeffler
Face it man, if the media/journalists would have done their job (i.e. asking why the steel from WTC was hauled off before explosive tests could be done; or why the Secret Service Protective Detail sat around with their thumbs up their asses; or why the footage from the Pentagon gas station - source - National Geographic has not been released; or why the steel-frame WTC #7 collapsed because of two small fires; or why no fighter jets were scrambled in time even though that is the only job those pilots train for......and on.......and on.......and on) then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I don't have to "face" this or anything you put forth, particularly this nonsense.
I don't believe anybody could have ever done anything to prevent crazy conspiratory theorizing about 911. It's somehow part of human nature to want this kind of thing to be a big consipiracy. Not sure why, though I have read about it a bit. Conspiracism is kind of a religion all it's own. One which I deride. Hell, people still believe Kennedy was shot by someone other than Oswald despite all the information which indesputably proves that he did it and acted alone. People want to believe that there's a big conspiracy of whoever for whatever reason, I don't know but I admit morbid curiosity.
I treat information with credible provable evidence, such as the peak oil, with the respect it deserves. Paranoid ridiculous nonsense like 911 conspiracies I give them the respect they deserve also, and believe it or not I actually have read a lot of the information about it. That's why I hate it. The thousands who died that day deserve better.
Most of the rest of your post has nothing to do with 911 conspiracies.... But chaining things one after another is part of the culture of conspiracy... Beacause of this... this happened... and that meant this person wanted to do this.... so they did this.... if you don't see it clear as day you can only be a sheep of the major media with blinders on. Sure......
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:12 pm Post subject:
Then you tell me why the FBI has not released the Pentagon gas station video. Not even the victim's family members have seen that piece of information. Don't you think that they deserve better?
Criminal cases, involving circumstantial evidence, are used in our court systems all the time. That's what detectives are taught to do. Get enough information to make a case.......connect the dots. _________________ "Your failure to be informed does not make me a wacko." - John Loeffler
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