Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject:
accept_death wrote:
So again, I say to myself, "why bother putting in the effort to watch/learn about films?"
Because you enjoy films?
Maybe because I'm "older" I maybe enjoy the present more than a younger person (I thought it was the other way around?) so I find enjoyment in things even though they might not be around later. Why the heck not?
So again, I say to myself, "why bother putting in the effort to watch/learn about films?"
Because you enjoy films?
Maybe because I'm "older" I maybe enjoy the present more than a younger person (I thought it was the other way around?) so I find enjoyment in things even though they might not be around later. Why the heck not?
Going to get some icecream now.
Well no, I think you're just logical like most people. I amaze myself with my ability to act in spite of logic and common sense. If there's a very inefficient way to do something, no matter how obscure, I'll figure it out. I don't try but somehow it always works out that way.
The other thing is the kind of films I like are generally demanding "art" films that require lots of work and patience to sit through. The idea being that the lessons you learn from them you can take with you and use long after you've witnessed the film. The problem is how these films often are very geared toward the modern age. I think the reason I'm into film mostly and not music, or painting, or writing or whatever is because it communicates best to me about the times we live in. Like most of my environment, it hasn't been around for very long. There's a kind of anxious tension in a good film that echoes how I feel living in this day and age.
But like you said, there's little reason I can't continue to watch these films and gain from them. Knowing about PO just makes me less likely to sit down and do the "work" it takes to watch them, as I think the lessons they contain might end up worthless in a few years.
Anyway, I think I'll go get some ice cream now myself. ;p
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: "Quitting" Peak Oil
accept_death wrote:
...I'm thinking of adopting a mindset that says "we'll figure something out, the technology exists, too many people which too much power/wealth have too much riding on our economy bla bla". It's denial I know, but I'm starting to think it might be an effective strategy for now...
"You are important people. You can think. And if there was ever a time when the human race needs people who will think, it's right now. It's our responsibility as citizens in a Democracy to think.
We have to remember the message of this cartoon:
We should remember the words of Galileo.
He said:
Galileo wrote:
'I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect, has intended for us to forego their use.'
We should remember the words of Aldous Huxley.
He observed that:
Aldous Huxley wrote:
'Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.'
And we should remember H.L Mencken's social philosophy.
He believed that:
H.L. Mencken wrote:
'It is in the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting'.
- Dr. Albert Bartlett, "Arithmetic, Population, and Energy"
Quote:
My question; can denial be effective on a conscious level? Where you know you are BSing yourself, but you just don't care/let it bother you? Is this a worthwhile strategy to persue in dealing with Peak Oil? (consider that if you are letting PO distract you too much now, you are probably not going to be able to plan for it as good as you could)
Denial is what got us here in the first place. I think what you need to do is just accept the gravity of the situation, know what it is that you can do that you are capable of doing to mitigate the situation as bes you can, and then just take action.
I'm only a year older than you so I don't profess to be some all-knowing sage or wise man, but the way I see it is in a typical problem - solution form.
Here's the problem, here's the solution (as far as you can solve it, at least), and that's all there is to it. You do what you can do and that's all you can do. I don't spend time worrying about it, I just say to myself "Ok, here's what I have to do" and then get er' done.
Granted you might not be able to make ideal preparations, but at least you can survive. Sure we all have to die someday. Everything has to die. Hell, the universe is just one big-ass liquidation sale. Everything must go! But if I have anything to say about it, I'm going to make it later rather than sooner.
Let's face it. Almost everyone here has a vested interest in continuing existing. We're not talking about living forever, but at least having just a decent run. There's plenty of time to be dead, but you only get 1 life. Might as well make it count.
accept_death wrote:
But like you said, there's little reason I can't continue to watch these films and gain from them. Knowing about PO just makes me less likely to sit down and do the "work" it takes to watch them, as I think the lessons they contain might end up worthless in a few years.
Anyway, I think I'll go get some ice cream now myself. ;p
What's the point of eating the ice cream? It's going to be gone and give you calories/glucose/cholesterol, so what's the point?
The point is, you enjoy the ice cream while you're eating it.
Everything in life, including life itself, is transient. You don't "win" life, it is an experience.
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