Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
I thought that honey aged and turned into a sugary, dry form over time? How does one store it to "last forever," and what form does it take?
Actually, honey does keep nearly forever, and without refrigeration too. While it does have a tendency to crystallize, if you put it in some kind of double boiler (like a glass bottle of honey in a pan of water) and heat it up, it returns to its original clear, pourable state. Of course, plain old sugar keeps as long and does not need to be rejuvenated if you keep it dry. Someone will probably make the argument that honey is more healthy though.
Now I have grown kids and just don’t feel comfortable without a big pantry. In fact there has been more than once that my kids have come “shopping” at Poppy’s during tough times at their house
POPS FOR PREZ! Were gonna need a "Joseph" like figure to ease the transition.
Arron also has a very good point, eventualy no matter how good your stocks are, or how long they will keep, you WILL need to refresh your food supply. So learn to raise some food before any problems.
If you're into Self Defense get better at it. Pops is right about the Pb stocks and "launching pads" being a nice option.
Honey is very important, helps with allergies, is the BEST burn ointment, is antimacrobial, and has vitamins and trace pollens that are good for ya'. (esp. "queen bee" honey perscribed for elderly in Europe, ME, Asia). Makes a good beverage too (in teas and as MEAD).
In the Summer try fresh mint with honey tea, mmm delicioso'
Honey is Detremental to youngsters, that is its only caveat'.
Suger is also great for packing in wounds. No $hit. it draws away the infected fluids and allows the body to heal itself.
Get it with NO fLAVORS added, this stuff is reported to last longer than lifeboat rations.
For best nutrition and taste try and get "Shmurah" (made with a less fine wheat, and watched over so no miosture would even get near the stuff) generally Shmurah is only available around Passover time. "Yehudah" brand is one of the better large manufacturers.
It might be a good idea to stock up on bags of white rice. Since there is hardly and fats, like in brown rice, the process of degredation will be postponed, often by years. It may take a lot of water to make, and also may not be the best source of decent nutrition, but having plentiful food is a prerequisite to bizarre, disciplined diets, so when you're hungry, you'll eat whatever is available.
Joined: Aug 12, 2004 Posts: 1180 Location: England
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:04 pm Post subject: Food stockpiling
Hi all
I've been missing for a while as all my posts and my account got zapped by the webby attack , so its good to be back!! Also my wife has given birth to my baby daughter so i've been rather busy changing nappies and getting generally no sleep!!
Anyway onto topic, presumably if anyone is to survive a 'fast transition' post peak there will need to be a quantity of food stored to give time for crops to grow etc. The question i would like to ask is , nobody knows when this will all kick off, i.e when the supermarket shelves are empty the water stops running , so you need to buy them while available. Unfortunately the gap between being available and the actual SHTF could be a while. So what foods store a long while? (may need to be years!), can 'use by dates' on tins be ignored? (i suspect they are over cautious) and what is the shelf life on seeds before germination is very poor?
Also a seperate question, if in a 'fast transition' the economy goes into meltdown, million upon millions of people will have there homes repossessed. But this will be on a scale never seen before. So would the banks have the resources to come round and kick you out? After all the asset they are repossessing (depending on where it is) would be worthless? The bank may not even exist anymore !!
Joined: Aug 14, 2004 Posts: 2068 Location: San Diego, Ca.
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:18 pm Post subject:
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Also a seperate question, if in a 'fast transition' the economy goes into meltdown, million upon millions of people will have there homes repossessed. But this will be on a scale never seen before. So would the banks have the resources to come round and kick you out? After all the asset they are repossessing (depending on where it is) would be worthless? The bank may not even exist anymore !!
I don't think they will have the resources to kick people out of their homes.
However, it is the slow transition that I worry about. I.E. not knowing when to implement my survival plans. Once certain plans are implemented, there is no turning back (quitting my job when jobs will be scarce). _________________ "Peak oil isn't more than an interesting industry factoid and doesn't have anything to do with the hysterics speculated on ad nauseum around here!" ReserveGrowthRulz
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:25 pm Post subject: food
I can sympathize with you - I have a 3 year old and one on the way soon! Wish I could stock up on sleep!
I have experimented with everything from MRE's to canned and dried foods. MRE's keep well but are expensive - I just ate a 7 year old one the other day and while edible it was not tasty and had a slightly unpleasant aftertaste.. I didn't have any ill effects. I have heard of people eating one 11 years old but I would not recommend it. I have seen canned food go bad (REALLY BAD) after its expiration date such that you open the can and will immediately want to throw it out! So I wouldn't recommend canned unless you rotate out stock fairly frequently. Dried and dehydrated foods are a fairly good option. Dehydrated is expensive but keeps very well. Dried foods are very cheap (think rice and beans) and can be kept for decades if stored right. I use 15 gallon polyethylene pails with air tight gasketed lids (place an oxygen absorber inside and then purge with CO2 for best results before sealing).
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:30 pm Post subject: more food
I should also mention that dried grains which are stored air tight, oxygen purged, and kept in a cool dark place might also have the added advantage of being seed for crops. I tried this with hard red wheat which I had stored for 4 years ( I planted some and had at least 50% come up). Not only did it come up but it re-seeded itself and is continuing to come up 3 years later...
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 7023 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:01 pm Post subject:
I only have time for a quick note so the short answer is: store what you eat and eat and eat what you store. There are a couple of good lists on the downloads page, including an excel spreadsheet.
Pros of the above:
By buying larger quantities you save money
You are used to eating what you have stored - good for morale
You already know how to cook it
You save money by not going to the store as often _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Food stockpiling
Permanently_Baffled wrote:
million upon millions of people will have there homes repossessed
Hi Perm,
I grew up listening to many stories about the Great Depression. My Dad was born in 1918 and is still going strong.
I've heard many horror stories where someone owed a mere pittance but couldn't make payment, and the bank repossessed the properties and families were thrown out on the street, but where others owed a huge amount but the bank was willing to work with them. See, the mortgage company stands to gain more with foreclosure if most of it is payed off. They stand to loose lots of money if they foreclose on properties where there is a high percentage of unpaid principle. Twisted logic, but true. I bet you've never heard this before.
As a side note, in Ohio where I live, after so many people lost their jobs and had no money to buy anything, they hunted and trapped wild animals for food, to the point where the wildlife was so decimated that it wasn't until the 1950's that deer started to migrate back in to Ohio from W. VA. and SW PA. It wasn't until 2000 that deer became "plentiful" again. You simply cannot rely on the availability of wild game when so many people would be willing to shoot them so their families won't go hungry. In season, or out.
As far as a future national/worldwide mortgage payment disaster goes, who knows what creative ideas our leaders might dream up to help with the problem? Remember, FDR declared a "banking holiday", created "make work" programs (which my Dad participated in). I'm sure that they would be even more creative.
If your like me, you wont start the garden till its time. As scuh, I'd have a good 40 to 60 days of no food.
Enter the beauty of the MRE. Meals Ready to Eat. Its what the military gives its boys in the feild. I highly suggest buying a case or 3. They taste like crap, you dont want them at the family picnic. But they'll keep you alive and healthy till the crops come. And shelf life in a cool environment can be well over 10 years.
Joined: Aug 12, 2004 Posts: 1180 Location: England
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 3:41 am Post subject:
Metronome wrote:
I too like Jato worry about a slow transition for the same reasons.
Perm, can you specify in what kind of surroundings you live in? (City, countryside etc.)
I live just outside a city (200,000 people ' ish) in England. I'm about a mile from the farms that surround the village. I have a very small front and rear garden so food from this would be limited. I'm thinking however if i got together with the neighbours , tore down all the fences and had one big garden which we turned into an allotment it may produce a reasonable amount of food.
In addition to the above i think i will try and get a job with the local farmers (my job is in horticulture at the moment so i'm sure i can adapt! ) I wouldn't really care if this meant working in the fields as i like the outdoors and manual labour isn't that bad !
The one thing that does truely frighten me to death is security. In the end all the best laid plans can so easily be ruined by a mob of desperate scumbags ready to steel/destroy anything you have set up
If you're really worried you might consider applying for a Fire Arm Certificate, but giving "security" as a reason won't help your application. Alternatively you can pick up crossbows for a around £100, that should be able to stop anything, and with a little ingenuity can be made far more deadly.
Online shop I found (NB: I've not dealt with these people and am not endorsing them.)
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) I wouldn't really care if this meant working in the fields as i like the outdoors and manual labour isn't that bad ! 
