What are we going to do?

Franco · Coal Joined: May 20, 2005 Posts: 8

Answering DOLY:
The fact that our current economy has been going for ages doesn't imply it will go, from now on, for ages.
On the contrary.
What caracterised the world economy up to now is the fact we were living in an open economy, based on the fact that there still was a lot of untapped ressources around the world to profit audacious predators.
Those predators organised themselves into multinationals trying to secure for their exclusive greed what were natural ressources belonging to the collective of humankind.
This was the happy world of the predators and their mignon dictators !
But now those happy times are coming to an end simply because we have reported every potential remaining ressources, which will have to be shared anyway.
It's now a bloody race between the greedy predators of the multinationals, always in search of dictators to perpetrate their robberies and governments who understand the need to share and optimise the use of the remaining ressources.
To say the truth we are not at the beginning of this split between private interests and collective needs,because this has already cost his life to Dr Mosadeg in IRAN,long ago.
Up to now we have welcome the reign of the oil multinationals because they have always delivered the oil wee needed at an acceptable price.
But if the oil is going down slowly and for good and if the oil companies are in no position to offer us with valid alternatives for the future,they will be replaced by something else.
Another technology which will supply the energy on the scale we need for our future development.
When that will happen the power will shift then to those holding this new technology and they will become the new formating factor of our next social order.
But such shift can take 30 years minimum to settle.
It won't happen in a short time; never.
We are entering a time of big structural changes within the next 3 decades,like it or not.
Better make up your mind about it now.

sicophiliac · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:34 am Post subject:

Ok a couple comments Id like to make
First off what good is gardening going to do for most of america ? Most
"home owners" are just borrowers who dont outright own thier properties but are rather hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt paying the houses off. The banks and lenders own most of them.
Also it would be a damn DAMN shame if the last shreds of our energy resources were put twoards killing each other in a greedy frenzy to snag up all the left over oil on this planet. It'd be nice and maybe overly idealistic if the industrialized world could work together and unite its intellectual and labor resources to help all of humanity to go through this transition. I see that as being a big big tipping point. We could go one way into chaos and war and mass murder ect or go in the opposite direction and work for the bettering of all humanity.

TheTurtle · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:54 am Post subject:

Quizzle · Coal Joined: Jul 04, 2005 Posts: 3

Hi guys, I just joined the forum. I yet haven't come across one of the most concerning conflict within myself about the oil peak crisis. When in fact the oil is run dry, how come I haven't read about the amount of violence and chaos it will create.

I've read quite a bit of your opinions. They are mostly based on the fact that we will all be getting along even after the crisis. This is far from the truth, the oil peak will cause such a dsitruption so quickly that thousands upon thousands of people will be starving. Especially in large cities. The majority of large city or even small city residences don't know how to make or get food than by going to the local store.

The police and military would only be able to maintain discipline for so long. If at all. Many people aren't quite as civilized as the same people you converse with on the internet or these forums. There are going to no doubt be people who will literally tear you apart for either your personal possesions and of course your food. They will have no other way of gathering the food to sustain themselves life, simply because they know of no other way.

I believe the oil peak will cause such severe disturbances in our social society that before it causes what some have said WWIII, we will be in a mist of total war within our own countries. I urge us all to consider the absolute immediate decisions we will be forced to make. Gather food (If not already stored)Medicine, Surival tools and most of all some type of fatally wounding defense (A really big gun)

FlyAgaric · Coal Joined: Jul 05, 2005 Posts: 18

Hello, I am new to the forum but I have been following this issue for many years now and am pleased to see it getting the attention it deserves. Granted, it needs to get into the mainstream media a little more but the amount of discussion on the topic compared to even two years ago is movement in the right direction.

I would probably agree with most of the speculation on these forums about just how screwed we are as a culture and economic when we no longer have an abundant source of cheap energy.

I do think there is reason to be hopeful, however. Peak oil means only the end of suburbia, globalization, agribusiness, car culture and a few other things that I sure as hell am not going to miss a single bit.

While I know the near future holds a lot of pain and suffering and war, the longview is considerably more optimistic. Picture walkable cities, sustainable agriculture and stronger community ties. We have a lot to look forward to, so long as we can survive the next 20 to 30 years.