| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
deadmaker7 Tar Sands


Joined: Apr 11, 2005 Posts: 33
|
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject: "War of the Worlds" Steven Spielberg |
|
|
Went to see the movie "War of the Worlds". Even though it's obviously not about peak oil, there was one scene that made me think. All the cars were damaged by the invader's EMP attack, but Tom Cruise's charater had a working minivan. He and his kids start driving north. He reaches an area where there is a crowd of people, and they all gather around the van, begging him to take them. Finally, the crowd turns violent and Cruise and his 2 kids are forced from the van at gunpoint. This immediately made me think, Peak Oil Shantytown! Anyone else see this movie yet? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
JB2 Tar Sands


Joined: May 30, 2005 Posts: 22 Location: Grosse Pointe
|
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
* Spoilers Ahead (but go see the movie).
All in all, one of Spielberg's best. Unsurprisingly, he does a great job with the invasion scenes and the special effects; the aliens and the death machines are indeed, very scary. The biggest weakness was, as usual with Spielberg, the irritating and distracting detour into "daddy" issues.
For the purposes of this forum, though, the most interesting part of the film was the depiction of total societal collapse. At one point, life is normal, then none of the cars work; by the next day, thousands of people are roaming the countryside looking for food and shelter and trying to avoid extermination.
Probably not a "realistic" take on how things will fall apart after TSHTF, but very powerful and resonant. I would cite, not only the sequence mentioned by deadmaker7, but the flaming train a little bit later - one of the most disturbing things ever put in a movie. It's also pretty creepy when Cruise is apparently forced to kill Tim Robbins in cold blood. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
meekoil Heavy Crude


Joined: Jul 11, 2005 Posts: 120
|
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
LOL!!
(I am a long time lurker who finally registered to repsond to this. )
I just saw War of the Worlds yesterday, and when the scene you reffered to happened, I actually turned to my wife in the theater and whispered "That's what it will be like when we run out of oil". |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Elfstrom Tar Sands


Joined: Mar 09, 2005 Posts: 53 Location: Toronto
|
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: Better scene |
|
|
Just before the seizure of the minivan, there is a sequence where the family is looking out the window of the vehicle and you see in the twilight:
- people with carts filled with encyclopedias
- a young person riding a horse
I immediately thought "peak oil survivalists!" |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Omaronim Coal


Joined: Mar 28, 2005 Posts: 4
|
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
| I remember saying to my brother in law, "Look how cheap gas is." Near the minivan scene there is one of those gas station flipbook type signs that had gas at 1.95 or so. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
DomusAlbion Moderator


Joined: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 1584 Location: Nez Perce Nation
|
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
Every scene in War of the Worlds made me think what a crappy movie it was and left me wishing that Dakota Fanning would get zapped by the aliens and just quit shrieking.
Mr. Spielberg, you’ve made some very excellent movies. What went wrong?  _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
-- Albert Bartlett
"It will be a dark time. But for those who survive, I suspect it will be rather exciting."
-- James Lovelock |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Kingcoal Expert


Joined: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 2330 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
|
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
What made me feel old when listening to people review the movie is the reaction from the younger crowd. Not only did most of them not know that the movie had a predecessor, but they didn't even know that it was based on a book from 1895!
I thought the movie was great, very suspenseful and sometimes even scary. The alien machines where very realistic and were kind a cross between the book and the 50's version. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
DomusAlbion Moderator


Joined: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 1584 Location: Nez Perce Nation
|
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Kingcoal wrote: | | What made me feel old when listening to people review the movie is the reaction from the younger crowd. Not only did most of them not know that the movie had a predecessor, but they didn't even know that it was based on a book from 1895! |
I think the original movie was better. Introducing the child characters was a big mistake. And a dysfunctional divorced father was a completely unsympathetic character, especially as played by Cruise.
The machines were much closer to those in the book but the entire idea is rather dated. As if an advanced technical alien race wouldn’t know about infections from microbes.
I can just hear them as they’re dying:
“D’oh! I … forgot to wear … cough … the biohazard ... groan … suit when outside the craft. Arrrgh!” (fade to deadness)  _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
-- Albert Bartlett
"It will be a dark time. But for those who survive, I suspect it will be rather exciting."
-- James Lovelock |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
JB2 Tar Sands


Joined: May 30, 2005 Posts: 22 Location: Grosse Pointe
|
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:34 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| DomusAlbion wrote: |
As if an advanced technical alien race wouldn’t know about infections from microbes. |
What about the killer aliens in Signs? Invading a planet covered in water, but water is toxic to them. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Fatherof4 Tar Sands


Joined: Aug 18, 2004 Posts: 79
|
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:28 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I saw the movie over a week ago and I still get chills when I drive by a water tower.
 _________________ Fatherof4
Everything that follows is a result of what you see here.
My Blog |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
avo Tar Sands


Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 76 Location: California
|
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
| DomusAlbion wrote: | | The machines were much closer to those in the book but the entire idea is rather dated. As if an advanced technical alien race wouldn’t know about infections from microbes. |
In the book, this is because there are no microbes on Mars; martian biology is completely different.
The book really holds up amazingly well after over 100 years.
Avo |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Doly Expert


Joined: Dec 03, 2004 Posts: 4035
|
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
| avo wrote: |
In the book, this is because there are no microbes on Mars; martian biology is completely different.
|
1) I can't imagine an ecology without microbes. In any computer simulation you do of an ecology, you get small parasites.
2) If Martian biology is completely different, how can they get attacked by Earth microbes? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
avo Tar Sands


Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 76 Location: California
|
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Doly wrote: | I can't imagine an ecology without microbes. In any computer simulation you do of an ecology, you get small parasites.
|
It's science fiction, remember? The point is that Wells was clever enough to (a) know that the martians should be bright enough to protect themselves, and (b) come up with an explanation of why they didn't: they had no knowledge of the threat. This is, as you note (with 100 years of extra science behind you!) a rather implausible biology, but you can't prove that it's flat-out impossible. This use of not-impossible ideas in service of drama is the very hallmark of good science fiction, and it's why Wells book has never gone out of print.
Avo
Last edited by avo on Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:52 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
pstarr Expert


Joined: Sep 27, 2004 Posts: 7089 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain
|
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Doly wrote: | | avo wrote: |
In the book, this is because there are no microbes on Mars; martian biology is completely different.
|
1) I can't imagine an ecology without microbes. In any computer simulation you do of an ecology, you get small parasites.
2) If Martian biology is completely different, how can they get attacked by Earth microbes? |
That is completely wrong. I ran the same simulation on the the Martian version of Micosoft Excel and no microbes showed up. There were lots of bugs though
Actually I adored adored the movie. Waiting to drag my wife to it.
Anybody remember how Road Warrior began? Mel Gibson fighting to the death for a rusty hubcap worth of gasoline. That movie said everything you need to know about PO.
pete _________________
ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap  |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|