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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:31 pm    Post subject: "War of the Worlds" Steven Spielberg Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Went to see the movie "War of the Worlds". Even though it's obviously not about peak oil, there was one scene that made me think. All the cars were damaged by the invader's EMP attack, but Tom Cruise's charater had a working minivan. He and his kids start driving north. He reaches an area where there is a crowd of people, and they all gather around the van, begging him to take them. Finally, the crowd turns violent and Cruise and his 2 kids are forced from the van at gunpoint. This immediately made me think, Peak Oil Shantytown! Shocked Anyone else see this movie yet?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:38 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

* Spoilers Ahead (but go see the movie).


All in all, one of Spielberg's best. Unsurprisingly, he does a great job with the invasion scenes and the special effects; the aliens and the death machines are indeed, very scary. The biggest weakness was, as usual with Spielberg, the irritating and distracting detour into "daddy" issues.

For the purposes of this forum, though, the most interesting part of the film was the depiction of total societal collapse. At one point, life is normal, then none of the cars work; by the next day, thousands of people are roaming the countryside looking for food and shelter and trying to avoid extermination.

Probably not a "realistic" take on how things will fall apart after TSHTF, but very powerful and resonant. I would cite, not only the sequence mentioned by deadmaker7, but the flaming train a little bit later - one of the most disturbing things ever put in a movie. It's also pretty creepy when Cruise is apparently forced to kill Tim Robbins in cold blood.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:03 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

LOL!!

(I am a long time lurker who finally registered to repsond to this. )

I just saw War of the Worlds yesterday, and when the scene you reffered to happened, I actually turned to my wife in the theater and whispered "That's what it will be like when we run out of oil".
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: Better scene Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Just before the seizure of the minivan, there is a sequence where the family is looking out the window of the vehicle and you see in the twilight:

- people with carts filled with encyclopedias
- a young person riding a horse

I immediately thought "peak oil survivalists!"
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:14 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I remember saying to my brother in law, "Look how cheap gas is." Near the minivan scene there is one of those gas station flipbook type signs that had gas at 1.95 or so.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:39 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Every scene in War of the Worlds made me think what a crappy movie it was and left me wishing that Dakota Fanning would get zapped by the aliens and just quit shrieking. Twisted Evil

Mr. Spielberg, you’ve made some very excellent movies. What went wrong? Mad
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What made me feel old when listening to people review the movie is the reaction from the younger crowd. Not only did most of them not know that the movie had a predecessor, but they didn't even know that it was based on a book from 1895!

I thought the movie was great, very suspenseful and sometimes even scary. The alien machines where very realistic and were kind a cross between the book and the 50's version.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Kingcoal wrote:
What made me feel old when listening to people review the movie is the reaction from the younger crowd. Not only did most of them not know that the movie had a predecessor, but they didn't even know that it was based on a book from 1895!


I think the original movie was better. Introducing the child characters was a big mistake. And a dysfunctional divorced father was a completely unsympathetic character, especially as played by Cruise.

The machines were much closer to those in the book but the entire idea is rather dated. As if an advanced technical alien race wouldn’t know about infections from microbes.

I can just hear them as they’re dying:

“D’oh! I … forgot to wear … cough … the biohazard ... groan … suit when outside the craft. Arrrgh!” (fade to deadness) Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:34 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

DomusAlbion wrote:

As if an advanced technical alien race wouldn’t know about infections from microbes.



What about the killer aliens in Signs? Invading a planet covered in water, but water is toxic to them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:28 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I saw the movie over a week ago and I still get chills when I drive by a water tower.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:48 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

DomusAlbion wrote:
The machines were much closer to those in the book but the entire idea is rather dated. As if an advanced technical alien race wouldn’t know about infections from microbes.


In the book, this is because there are no microbes on Mars; martian biology is completely different.

The book really holds up amazingly well after over 100 years.

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avo wrote:

In the book, this is because there are no microbes on Mars; martian biology is completely different.


1) I can't imagine an ecology without microbes. In any computer simulation you do of an ecology, you get small parasites.

2) If Martian biology is completely different, how can they get attacked by Earth microbes?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:48 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Doly wrote:
I can't imagine an ecology without microbes. In any computer simulation you do of an ecology, you get small parasites.


It's science fiction, remember? The point is that Wells was clever enough to (a) know that the martians should be bright enough to protect themselves, and (b) come up with an explanation of why they didn't: they had no knowledge of the threat. This is, as you note (with 100 years of extra science behind you!) a rather implausible biology, but you can't prove that it's flat-out impossible. This use of not-impossible ideas in service of drama is the very hallmark of good science fiction, and it's why Wells book has never gone out of print.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:39 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Doly wrote:
avo wrote:

In the book, this is because there are no microbes on Mars; martian biology is completely different.


1) I can't imagine an ecology without microbes. In any computer simulation you do of an ecology, you get small parasites.

2) If Martian biology is completely different, how can they get attacked by Earth microbes?


That is completely wrong. I ran the same simulation on the the Martian version of Micosoft Excel and no microbes showed up. There were lots of bugs though period period period

Actually I adored adored the movie. Waiting to drag my wife to it.
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