Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:20 pm Post subject: who is "they"?
Discussing oil depletion with a family member, and the fact that it could lead to a serious recession if not depression...I was informed that there won't be another depression because "they won't let it happen." In discussing oil depletion with a friend I was instructed that "they will come up with something." This is not the first time I've heard this type of answer...so I'm dying to know who is they?
I'm assuming "they" is an all-powerful benevolent group of people (or aliens?) that is constantly and vigilantly looking out for the safety and well-being of mankind...such that no bad thing could ever happen?
Does anyone know who they is?
Maybe "they" is a safety shut-off valve in the brain that kicks in whenever discomforting thoughts enter the cerebral cortex? Thereby not causing the brain to overheat.
Maybe "they" is the industrial-technological megamachine that has provided us so many lavish gifts like televisions, SUVs, ipods, jet skis and trans-oceanic jet powered vacations to distant mega-resorts and super hotels? By questioning "they" you are questioning the techology god who has provided you with so much bounty and luxury. Blasphemy?
I've come to the conclusion that a large percentage of the population willl simply not be moved by a Colin Campbell or a Richard Heinberg or willyoujoinus.com because they don't have anything to worry about.
Joined: May 17, 2004 Posts: 140 Location: sydney, australia
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:07 am Post subject:
Most of the people who ascribe to the thought of 'they will come up with a solution' really don't understand the predicament that we (we being society) are in and therefore misunderestimate the lack of alternatives we have. The "they" in this statement i think really refers to the politicians, leaders and the scientists around the world. When people are in trouble they inevitably turn to their leaders for help.
In reality, history has other plans for us and it won't be sentimental about it.
For example my girlfriend believes in creationism because she thinks that the idea that we evolved from monkeys is just not a nice idea. Translated into peak oil scenario people wish for the 'they' to appear from over the horizon in the last minutes. It won't be a hollywood movie in that the politicians and scientists get together and frantically solve the problem. But 'they'd' like to believe it. People identify with the stories they hear or see in the various forms of media and with the last minute save by the hero.
In reality, history has other plans for us and it won't be sentimental about it.
For example my girlfriend believes in creationism because she thinks that the idea that we evolved from monkeys is just not a nice idea. Translated into peak oil scenario people wish for the 'they' to appear from over the horizon in the last minutes. It won't be a hollywood movie in that the politicians and scientists get together and frantically solve the problem. But 'they'd' like to believe it. People identify with the stories they hear or see in the various forms of media and with the last minute save by the hero.
Well summarized. Saving the world is someone else's business not mine.
We did not really evolve from monkeys btw. Creationists show a picture of a babboon and a human to make people reject evolution. In reality our common ancestor was a mammal the size of a rat. Oops that's not any better isn't it?
Hollywood and the popular mythology of heros is so responsible for this f..d up attitude. If we were to view the whole situation rationally, science provides a list of alternatives and society (including the scientists) decide how to proceed.
BTW do creationists accept PO? _________________ "Nuclear power has long been to the Left what embryonic-stem-cell research is to the Right--irredeemably wrong and a signifier of moral weakness."Esquire Magazine,12/05
The genetic code is commaless and so are my posts.
We live inside a fantastically complicated industrial machine. The food we eat, the keyboard we type on, the cars we drive are all the product of processes, systems, cultures, and organizations that are each more complex than any one person could ever comprehend. Because these systems only reside in the minds of each of the personel that function inside of them, no one human can grasp the complexity. Therefore to make sense of it we create GODs. we are pathetic. that is our psychology. we are human. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Joined: May 17, 2004 Posts: 140 Location: sydney, australia
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:03 am Post subject:
EnergySpin wrote:
Well summarized. Saving the world is someone else's business not mine.
We did not really evolve from monkeys btw. Creationists show a picture of a babboon and a human to make people reject evolution. In reality our common ancestor was a mammal the size of a rat. Oops that's not any better isn't it?
Hollywood and the popular mythology of heros is so responsible for this f..d up attitude. If we were to view the whole situation rationally, science provides a list of alternatives and society (including the scientists) decide how to proceed.
BTW do creationists accept PO?
Correct. I should have said apes rather than monkeys but the point still remains. That because people love seeing the world through rose coloured glasses they dismiss the obvious truths.
Do creationists accept peak oil? Well, i don't think they accept it, but they sure will benefit from it. Just as Bush wasn't responsible for 9/11 but certainly he benefitted from it. I've no doubt that the symptoms of peak oil will be remolded into the religious equivalent of 'I told you so'. It may not be the wacky fire and brimstone ending that the bible predicts (nuclear war excluded) but the events as they occur will be sold as the Great Raputure irrespective that it's both the believers and non believers who are the recipent of "God's vengance". Of course, religion and geology have nothing to do with each other but then again Saddam Hussein never had anything to do with Al Qaeda.
Not many people want to face the reality that there is nobody inside them but themselves; being alone is just too much so being part of a group that will take care of them is very appealing. Denial is always the first defense against unpleasant reality.
As for the reality, the opposite of economic expansion is economic contraction. The US economy has been, on the average, expanding as long as the US has existed as a country. There have been little bumps along the was which have been called panic, recession and if bad enough depression, but these were all relatively short and ran counter to the underlying overall economic expansion. The economic pie was getting larger simply because resources were being exploited as never before in history, and oil has been the best resource ever exploited, yielding the greatest economic expansion of them all.
We will have less energy being exploited after the peak, so the underlying rule for the economy will be contraction, not expansion. There will be fewer and fewer goodies (many of them necessary for life), instead of more and more. Instead of good times interrupted by short periods of bad times, it will be the opposite, bad times interrupted by stort periods of better times or at least stability.
To think of the future in terms of the recessions we have previously had is grossly misleading. Breakdowns are always disorderly. There will be no excess energy with which to make the transition back to older, more sustainable ways of living, and those older ways do not support anything close to the 6.5 current human population. The 30 years that it will take to reach "no economically meaningful oil production" will be over in a flash.
No wonder people like to have "they" to take care of them.
_________________ "By the time individuals discover that remaining resources will not be adequate for the next generation, the next generation has already been born. " David Price
Joined: Jan 04, 2005 Posts: 62 Location: Rome, Italy
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:43 am Post subject:
I've read a lot of corrrect and interesting consideration about "They", but the most important (IMVHO) is:
"They" are all the RVIP (Real Very Important People), i.e. the "Owner" (and "Manoeuvrer") of our society.
"They" are obvioulsy interested in the fate of their own life and "their" properties.
"They" don't want to loose everything.
"They" won't accept the destruction of "their" world.
"They" have all the world's political, financial and technological power in their hands.
"They" will fix all this mess when "they" judge the "right time" has arrived
("right time" meaning when it'll suit more and better their economical interests).
I suppose there is no way to dismantle this faith in "They", because it is very well based on a robust "common sense"...
Joined: Dec 20, 2004 Posts: 890 Location: Scotland
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:45 am Post subject:
what i'm more interested in, is why people who post on the internet always spell the word 'lose' - as in 'i've lost my cat' - with two letter o's - thusly : 'loose'.
loose means e.g. 'i'm wearing loose fitting clothing'.
Joined: Jan 04, 2005 Posts: 62 Location: Rome, Italy
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:14 am Post subject:
Doly wrote:
Nike62 wrote:
I suppose there is no way to dismantle this faith in "They", because it is very well based on a robust "common sense"...
Do you mean you agree that "they" will save us?
Not at all!
But the fact that it is quite impossible to refute them make me feel sick...
linlithgowoil wrote:
why people who post on the internet always spell the word 'lose' [...] with two letter o's
Hem... simply because of our (we "no-mother-thongue", I mean) ignorance, I'm, afraid...
(you know, usually the 'oo' in pronounced 'ou', so it can happens that you were mislead...)
Joined: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 1636 Location: Nez Perce Nation
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:38 am Post subject:
linlithgowoil wrote:
what i'm more interested in, is why people who post on the internet always spell the word 'lose' - as in 'i've lost my cat' - with two letter o's - thusly : 'loose'.
loose means e.g. 'i'm wearing loose fitting clothing'.
where did this come from? arrrgg!!!
THEY told them it was acceptable to not pay attention in school and to practice poor grammar and spelling. _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
-- Albert Bartlett
"It will be a dark time. But for those who survive, I suspect it will be rather exciting."
-- James Lovelock
"They" might be the FREEMASONS, or the CHRISTIANS, or the BLACK POPE, or the Republicans, or liberal democrats to the rescue, or the new world order, or the fanatic muslims.....
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ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap 
Hem... simply because of our (we "no-mother-thongue", I mean) ignorance, I'm, afraid...
