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LadyRuby Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jun 13, 2005 Posts: 1206 Location: Western US
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject: Anyone know the IEA forecast for peak oil? |
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I'm trying to track this down for some research I'm undertaking.
This article says it's 2015 to 2033, other reports say after 2030.
http://www.peakoil.net/uhdsg/weo2004/TheUppsalaCode.html [/url] |
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Such Heavy Crude


Joined: Sep 05, 2004 Posts: 205 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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I have some of their presentations... i think their latest projection is 2013 or 2015.
For some reason 2013 sticks in my head more though. |
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NTBKtrader Intermediate Crude


Joined: Oct 19, 2004 Posts: 591
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| Is it because the ancient Mayan calender suddenly just ends at the year 2013? Could they have known as far back as the bc's that this was the end date? dooby dooby doo |
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LadyRuby Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Such wrote: | I have some of their presentations... i think their latest projection is 2013 or 2015.
For some reason 2013 sticks in my head more though. |
If you have a link to a report or presentation that indicates this I'd really appreciate it. |
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turmoil Moderator


Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 1183 Location: Richmond, VA, Pale Blue Dot
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| NTBKtrader wrote: | | Is it because the ancient Mayan calender suddenly just ends at the year 2013? Could they have known as far back as the bc's that this was the end date? dooby dooby doo |
Why 2012
fascinating... _________________ "If you are a real seeker after truth, it's necessary that at least once in your life you doubt all things as far as possible"-Rene Descartes
"When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth"-Sherlock Holmes |
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Badger Tar Sands


Joined: Jul 19, 2005 Posts: 85 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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what problem....
no problemo...2070...
the IEA told me govt showed them some charts and pie graphs so where building more roads....
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NTBKtrader Intermediate Crude


Joined: Oct 19, 2004 Posts: 591
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| stupid_monkeys wrote: | | NTBKtrader wrote: | | Is it because the ancient Mayan calender suddenly just ends at the year 2013? Could they have known as far back as the bc's that this was the end date? dooby dooby doo |
Why 2012
fascinating... |
Yes it is, one of, if not the most precise calendars known to man, invented 2300 years ago just suddenly stops on a winter solstice in 2012. |
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Sparaxis Heavy Crude


Joined: Apr 27, 2005 Posts: 108 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Lady Ruby,
It's also useful to read the critique of the IEA forecasts (and EIA and others) posted here.
The IEA does not forecast a "peak year". Doing so would be political untenable, since their member countries certainly don't want their markets to get spooked. Every 2 years, they publish the "World Energy Outlook", the latest being 2004. In it, they forecast production rising to 121 mmbd by 2030.
If you read the details, the forecast is actually conditioned on an enormous amount of investment taking place before then ($16 trillion for all energy; $3 trillion for oil & gas, of which a half-trillion in the Middle East alone), or double the annual rate of O&G investment in the 1990s. Of course, as economists, they figure more investment will naturally result in more supply, but nonetheless, I don't think it's fair to use IEA's forecasts without acknowledging such conditions. EIA doesn't even go that far--they are simply out in left-field.
I got into an argument recently with a friend who works at IEA about this, and it's obvious that they are savvier about the situation than they can acknowledge (witness the "How to Save Oil in a Hurry" publication earlier this year). But their hands are tied to actually predict a peak year.
You can find the executive summary of the World Energy Outlook 2004 here. |
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johnhemming Coal


Joined: Aug 13, 2005 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Anyone know the IEA forecast for peak oil? |
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I asked a written parliamentary question about this and was pointed to the IEA's figure of 2030+
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/john_hemming/birmingham%2C_yardley
has all my WPQs
I thought I put a link on my blog
johnhemming.blogspot.com
but I cannot find it at the moment. |
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clv101 Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jun 02, 2004 Posts: 1078 Location: Bristol, UK
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| Sparaxis wrote: | | In it, they forecast production rising to 121 mmbd by 2030. |
The problem with this IEA figure is that it is demand based not supply based, their demand models suggest 121 million barrels per day so that's what it'll be. Where do they say it will come from? Saudi Arabia mainly but if you look at Matt Simmons work looking at Saudi Arabia from a supply point of view he says it's impossible.
Hi John, welcome to the forum!
Here is the response from Malcolm Wicks (Minister of State (Energy), Department of Trade and Industry, UK) when asked when global production of conventional crude oil will peak, very disappointing:
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2005-07-18.11302.h
Chris Vernon _________________ "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen." The Emperor (Return of the Jedi)
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