Joined: Mar 04, 2005 Posts: 2646 Location: New Zealand
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: Car/aircraft that run on water!
Hydrogen Technology Applications, Inc. based out of Clearwater, Florida has just invented a new device called the H2O Model 1500 Gas Generator. The gas generator runs off water and produces a unique water/hydrogen gas that can be used for welding metal because of it's extreme heat capabilities. This is just the tip of the iceberg though. They also plan on using this very same process to run automobiles and other devices. That's right, a car that can run off water. Check out their website for more details.
Joined: Jun 18, 2005 Posts: 3909 Location: In a van down by the river
Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:07 pm Post subject:
We are saved!
That guy standing next to the water car looks very sharp in his cop shades and members only jacket. I wonder if he is scientify guy? Those guys are real smrt.
Looks like another take on the whole "use electrolisys to generate fuel (hydrogen) and store it instead of just charging batteries" idea. Overall, its rather pointless, as it wastes lots of energy. Just a simple charge-and-go electric car sounds like a much better idea, especially if Toshiba's new one minute charge batteries really materialize.
just another take on the "magic" "browns gas" - which is another way of saying nasty ready to blow co-mingled hydrogen and oxygen... you ought to google on browns gas to see the loads of BS attributed to it...
Joined: Jun 28, 2005 Posts: 23 Location: Tampa, FL
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject:
Googolplex wrote:
Looks like another take on the whole "use electrolisys to generate fuel (hydrogen) and store it instead of just charging batteries" idea. Overall, its rather pointless, as it wastes lots of energy. Just a simple charge-and-go electric car sounds like a much better idea, especially if Toshiba's new one minute charge batteries really materialize.
Yup! I saw the local Fox13 news story on it, and it was just beyond stupid. A friend had by chance recorded it and brought the tape over for me to view.
Exact dialog excerpted from the story:
Reporter: "Denny Klein uses an alternative fuel source once thought impossible. He says people still have trouble believing him when he reveals his liquid fuel-"
Denny Klein: "Water. Take water plus electricity, and we break it down through our very unique electrolysis process."
Umm.. what? First Fox states via editing that the fuel source is water, then in the next sentence, Klein backsteps and says electricity. BWHAHAHAHA!!!
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Car/aircraft that run on water!
its funny, seeing how the bashing gets started on an "oil news" website.. again just because there is not a 100% efficency means that it sucks? what is the efficency on oil? i have seen this HH0 product actually working and i can tell you it works better than oxy acetelene. people just dont know how to use it right; But because it is still not 100% efficient means that it should be destroyed and never used.. ever think of helping to preserve our oil resevoirs.. the oil companies will still make the same amount of cash.. but maybe with this new technology we can help concerve the oil resevoirs and help keep oil costs down.. not to mention what all this oil does to the environment..
too many people are single minded.. and things wont change until single minded people are the minority
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Car/aircraft that run on water!
stupidstuff wrote:
its funny, seeing how the bashing gets started on an "oil news" website.. again just because there is not a 100% efficency means that it sucks? what is the efficency on oil? i have seen this HH0 product actually working and i can tell you it works better than oxy acetelene. people just dont know how to use it right; But because it is still not 100% efficient means that it should be destroyed and never used.. ever think of helping to preserve our oil resevoirs.. the oil companies will still make the same amount of cash.. but maybe with this new technology we can help concerve the oil resevoirs and help keep oil costs down.. not to mention what all this oil does to the environment..
No one is saying that the torch is useless.
Oxy-hydrogen torches (which the HHO device is indistinguishable from) have been around for ages - early devices were available before oxy-acetylene. Normally, cylinders of Hydrogen and oxygen are used, but there are plenty of torches available which generate the hydrogen + oxygen from electrolysis.
When I was at high school, we had exactly this type of electrolytic hydrogen torch for doing fine metal work. If you needed to make a tiny weld or braze, then the oxy-hydrogen (or water torch) was excellent for it. It had a tiny flame, unlike the oxy-acetylene torches which were a lot bigger.
There are a lot of problems with oxy-hydrogen, which is why it is rarely used, except for niche uses (the minimum flame size of hydrogen is much smaller than acetylene, here OH wins). Hydrogen flames have a very low energy density, and the majority of the heat is carried off as steam. However, the flame also has an exceedingly high temperature - this makes welds and cutting difficult to control. Too far from the work, and the flame has lost its energy through steam losses. Too close, and the flame is so hot it will lose too much material, or damage it. The presence of unburned hydrogen also makes the OH torches unsuitable for welding steel and iron - the hydrogen is incorporated into the weld, making it exceedingly brittle and liable to fracture.
However, some materials, like aluminium, aren't affected by this - they have good thermal conductivity, so can cope with the high flame temp, and it doesn't incorporate hydrogen into the welds - so you can get acceptable results from hydrogen torches.
Industrial users tend to prefer the more modern plasma torches. These create an ultra-hot gas plasma from a stream of gas (air on cheap models, CO2 or other specialist gas for more powerful or specialised machines), by electrical heating of the gas. Plasma torches are more energy efficient [than electrolytic hydrogen generators] and controllable (you can control temperature and flow rate directly) than oxy-hydrogen, without the problems of introducing impurities, and of variable flame temperature, plus they are can be ultra-portable as air-models are completely fuelless - just supply electricity. No tanks, no liquids or gases to top up.
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