Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Cost of Heating Oil
falser wrote:
For as long as I can remember natural gas heating has been significantly cheaper than electric. Has this come into alignment now? I happen to be in an apartment with electric heat, will I be spared the excess cost this winter?
The best thing to do is to call your utility and find out what's what as
to possible near term tarriff changes.
The supposed gap between lower NG and electrical heating costs
may be less true now in many areas, some NG users wish they were
using the other.
Your individual utility may have a different fuel mix than
the state as a whole, but I looked up the mix for Virginia. It's
about 85% or so coal and nuclear.
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Cost of Heating Oil
May I ask a question ??
What is heating oil ?? I don't know as the temperature is 28 C to 35 C in summer time. We don't need heating oil or heating wood over here. Short pant and normal cotton shirt are required unless you want to die of heat without air-con or fan. Resemble Miami, Florida.
One of my friend died in Melbourne,Australia. According to his mom, he accidently activate heater before he slept. Later he died in his sleep. Is there any automatic temperature control ??
Is it heavy kerosene ?? Or leaveover oil from the processing ??
I don't like cool temperature... 24 C is good enough... _________________ When all the rivers run dry, all the forests have been cleared, all the food has been eaten, tell me the value of your money
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:33 am Post subject: Re: Cost of Heating Oil
BR -
Home heating oil in the US is #2 oil, or diesel fuel. Heating oil is dyed diesel and is not taxed like the motor fuel diesel, it is exempt. Therefore, if you're driving a diesel truck, and you're pulled over for inspection, and the authorities find red fuel in your tank, they know you did not pay the tax, and you're screwed.
As far as people dying from heating, I'd have to guess that was more of a case of using something like a kerosene heater indoors without proper ventilation, these heaters are notorious for killing people in their sleep with carbon monoxide, or tipping over and starting fires.
I could never live in your climate, way too hot, in fact I'm in search of a place that never exceeds 75F, I don't really care how cold it gets, I can always put another blanket or sweater on.
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Cost of Heating Oil
GoIllini wrote:
bruin wrote:
Incomes have not and will not keep pace with these increased costs, so you can see how the dieoff will develop. Eventually families will not have enough income to pay for all the increased costs associated with declining energy production, and will be forced to do without. Doing without will ultimately have a deleterious effect on survival and the grave yards will start to fill up until population is down to a sustainable level given the reduced resource base.
There will be many invisible deaths occuring behing closed doors, first with the elderly and poor, but increasingly with the former middle class. But don't worry about the government people, cause they will take enough to keep themselves safe until even they find it difficult to make it.
Or buy a few space heaters?
Oh no! It's the end of the world! I can only afford three more weeks of heating oil, but I can't afford to buy three space heaters and pay for the electricity it takes to run them!
Space heaters are very inefficient and use A LOT of electricity. Typically energy price move up with each other also as people switch back and forth trying to get a lower price (energy sources as substitutes for each other) preaching "alternative energy" and telling people to use biodiesel and wind and whatnot is like marie antoinette saying "let people eat cake" when they run out of bread.
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: Cost of Heating Oil
gego wrote:
Incomes have not and will not keep pace with these increased costs, so you can see how the dieoff will develop. Eventually families will not have enough income to pay for all the increased costs associated with declining energy production, and will be forced to do without. Doing without will ultimately have a deleterious effect on survival and the grave yards will start to fill up until population is down to a sustainable level given the reduced resource base.
There will be many invisible deaths occuring behing closed doors, first with the elderly and poor, but increasingly with the former middle class. But don't worry about the government people, cause they will take enough to keep themselves safe until even they find it difficult to make it.
You have a choice, buy DVN or ECA and hedge against winter
heating bills. Its that easy.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Cost of Heating Oil
aflatoxin wrote:
I hope they stay out of the desert southwest. There isn't enough water for our current population as it is.
Personally I think something like the Pacific Northwest / Norther California is probably the best place to be as the temperature year round doesn't go into extremes.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: Re: Cost of Heating Oil
In Australia alot of people use propane gas for their heating. It's quite expensive but some of the people fill their tanks up at petrol stations designed to be used in gas powered cars. The gas for the cars is very low quality and when people used it to heat their homes the flame sometimes goes out and the gas kills then them. BTW it's illegal to use car gas to fill your bbq bottle or home heating tank but many do and save alot of $ but they are at higher risk of something going wrong. To fill up a BBQ bottle with car gas only costs $5 whereas it's $20 for the proper fuel. My understanding is that the gas is low quality and burns at a lower temp.
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