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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:58 am Post subject: |
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I need to buy a good pen.
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:06 am Post subject: distance weapons |
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How about medieval distance weapons??
There are plans for trebuchets all over the net. These puppies will chuck a refrigerator!
Launch the old car parts over the wall!
Fire at Will or Sam or that marauder pirate guy!
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twxabfn Coal


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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| gg3 wrote: | We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now.
(extra points for anyone who can remember who said it first) |
O'Brien in 1984, while interrogating Winston in the Ministry of Love. Too easy.
So how many points do I get? Can I redeem them for fabulous prizes, like nanotech solar panels or a windmill?
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Dustin Tar Sands


Joined: Aug 20, 2004 Posts: 27 Location: Missouri
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Abolish the orgasm... hmm... I might make a wind powered orgasm gun like in the movie Orgazmo! Imagine marauding bands of thieves stopped in their tracks by such a weapon...
All joking aside, I am an engineering student and on the question of medieval siege weapons, larger is not always better. Large siege machines are great sieging weapons. If you are in a marauding band, you might take one along and chuck a refrigerator at someone's house to get inside. But try to imagine hitting someone running at you at full speed with a fridge. Sure if you hit him, they’re dead, but I seriously doubt it would hit. Think of the intro to Braveheart where Mel Gibson is missed completely with the large rock.
Definitely smaller catapults are much more suited as a weapon, where they are not so much for seiging, but more as offensive or defensive artillery pieces. As a weapon, you should not look to throw more than possibly 10 pounds. Remember, speed adds more energy to a weapon more than just mass. You can easily build one with wood and a spring and such for as little as 25 dollars, probably closer to 50.
However, since this site is directed more towards practicality, thieves wont be charging at you in open field where you can aim a catapult at them, nor are they coming at you with sticks and stones. These people will be armed from everything from knives to shotguns. Try to throw a large rock at someone when they have you in the sights of a 12 gage.
I wouldn’t bother with any medieval anything until all modern weapons are used up.
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Chicagoan Heavy Crude


Joined: Jun 19, 2004 Posts: 315
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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In the event of total collapse, modern weapons won't last very long. The components for gunpowder, for example, have to be shipped from far away. I have considered buying a Boyonette (SP?) because it will never be useless when the ammo is gone. But in the case of a Mad-Max future, people will die-off quickly enough so that when the bullets are gone, there will no longer be a need for killing people (most will be dead already).
But that would just make it easier for my clone army! |
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jato Moderator


Joined: Aug 14, 2004 Posts: 2066 Location: San Diego, Ca.
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But in the case of a Mad-Max future, people will die-off quickly enough so that when the bullets are gone, there will no longer be a need for killing people (most will be dead already). |
Store enough bullets to get through post die off & beyond. Good plan.
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pea-jay Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jul 17, 2004 Posts: 1600 Location: NorCal
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Gun powder can always be made locally. Plus it will be awhile before everything is scavenged, so we will still be able to find things that can blow up.
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skiwi Intermediate Crude


Joined: Aug 23, 2004 Posts: 705 Location: Frost Free in New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| gg3 wrote: | We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now.
(extra points for anyone who can remember who said it first) |
Bows and arrows for me |
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skiwi Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| skiwi wrote: | | gg3 wrote: | We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now.
(extra points for anyone who can remember who said it first) |
Bows and arrows for me |
Forgot to mention O'Brian in 1984 |
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Terran Heavy Crude


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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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humor?
Well gunpowder can be made locally. 75% potassium nitrate, 15% charcoal, 10% sulfur.
Potassium nitrate can be extracted from the soil, just look for it in army books. Charcoal is whats left of burned wood. Sulfur is found in small quanties as it's an essential fertilizer. _________________ my page:
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lowem Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jul 19, 2004 Posts: 1172 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| jato wrote: | Store enough bullets to get through post die off & beyond. Good plan.
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MonteQuest Elite


Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 13460 Location: Sedona, Arizona
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Man! You guys are funny! When I first saw this post, I was tempted to post, but didn't want to sully my reputation and lower myself to waste any contrite prose or blubber in response. But after revisting to see how bad it would get , I was surprised to see such humor! I have soda in my nose from reading these posts!
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MonteQuest Elite


Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 13460 Location: Sedona, Arizona
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Post-Peak weapons |
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[quote="Aryan"] I am a member off such a group, and my chances are therfore improved. [quote]
Question for you Aryan. Are you a member of the Patriot movement? An honest question, just curious. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| MonteQuest wrote: | Man! You guys are funny! When I first saw this post, I was tempted to post, but didn't want to sully my reputation and lower myself to waste any contrite prose or blubber in response. But after revisting to see how bad it would get , I was surprised to see such humor! I have soda in my nose from reading these posts!
Gheez Louise! |
You're one of those farking nerds aintcha? |
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Dustin Tar Sands


Joined: Aug 20, 2004 Posts: 27 Location: Missouri
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| Terran wrote: | humor?
Well gunpowder can be made locally. 75% potassium nitrate, 15% charcoal, 10% sulfur.
Potassium nitrate can be extracted from the soil, just look for it in army books. Charcoal is whats left of burned wood. Sulfur is found in small quanties as it's an essential fertilizer. |
Well, That is Black Powder which is what was used upto around the 1890's. It is dirty, nasty, smells horrible, and worst of all, has much smaller explosion than modern explosives (it is a low explosive meaning it needs oxygen to burn)
Guns today use an explosive which is a derivative and mixture of dinamite. It has no smoke (well very little). It is a high explosive (has everything it needs to burn) and fires a bullet very fast. In short, it cant be made locally unless your survival communittee happens to have a chemist to make it.
not to say black powder is good stuff, but modern weapons are not suited to it. You might look into buying some muzzle loading fire arms and use them
And also guys, i dont think modern weapons are giong to dissapear over night. I think there will be a good century before we get war and famine out of our system. Once SITF, im sure bullets, guns, bombs and tanks are giong to be made for a long time. So dont think 10 years from now, there will be no modern weapons, though being trained in archery or something would be a definate plus.
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