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Are you prepared at the minimum level recommended by the US government?
Yes, I have the minimum level of food and water.
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No, I don't have the minimum levels of food and water.
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Why bother. This is all a bad joke.
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Cool Hand Linc
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:02 pm    Post subject: Minimal preparedness Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I was reading a letter from my senator and saw this web site. I believe this is the minimum level of preparedness for we average citizens.

http://www.ready.gov/index2.html

Do you have the minimum amount of water on hand? Food?

Even if you don't believe in post peak anarchy. This is a recommendation from our government.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:12 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

A case of 12 MRE's works well. Each meal is about 1500 calories - so it's entirely possible to go for 12 days on a case. Even if you want 2 meals per day (almost 3000 calories), one case provides for two people for three days.

And supermarkets sell bottled water in a variety of containers...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:13 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

For some reason we eat rice I guess it's my culture, and we buy them in 50 pound bags. We also happan to store food that stores for a long time, and we don't eat it, it piles up in the cabnets. My freezer is packed full with meat.
We have water stored in a few gallon jugs. Even if there's an emergency, there will be a little bit of food.
My parents happen to had stored 3 liters of honey in the cabnet too. We just happan to buy more food than we consume so it piles up.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:56 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Jack wrote:
And supermarkets sell bottled water in a variety of containers...


Ah, was meaning to ask about that. Anyone knows, if we were to buy water in those usual plastic bottles, how long can we safely store it until we actually need to drink it? 6 months? 1 year? 3? Forever?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:14 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Jack wrote:
Ah, was meaning to ask about that. Anyone knows, if we were to buy water in those usual plastic bottles, how long can we safely store it until we actually need to drink it? 6 months? 1 year? 3? Forever?


I've had 3+ year old water (I forgot it at the back of the refrigerator Embarassed ) and I'm still here. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:15 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Terran wrote:
For some reason we eat rice I guess it's my culture, and we buy them in 50 pound bags.


Serious question - how will you cook the rice, assuming the usual power supply mechanisms are unavailable?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:55 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Jack wrote:
Terran wrote:
For some reason we eat rice I guess it's my culture, and we buy them in 50 pound bags.


Serious question - how will you cook the rice, assuming the usual power supply mechanisms are unavailable?


Have you never had raw rice? , its lovely ! eusa_sick
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:06 am    Post subject: bottled water Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There's a dirty little secret about bottled water that most people are not aware of it. It has a very limited shelf life.

Sounds absurd, right? The problem is that almost all bottled water is sanitized with ozone -- to avoid the flavor/taint added by chlorination. Ozone does not kill everything, and it does nothing to keep the microbe population down over time (it is a one-shot killing of germs at the time it is bottled). After about 6 weeks, about 25% of bottled water is so contaminated by bacteria that it would be considered unsafe to drink -- given a boil order, in other words -- if it was flowing through your pipes to your tap.

So anyone who is keeping bottled water and not rotating the stock completely within a few weeks has the potential of storing up a bacterial soup.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:34 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Is it possible to buy 'clean' long life water?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:16 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote



"Cover your mouth and nose with layers of fabric that can filter the air but still allow breathing."

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:25 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm good: Got a load of bottled water and tinned food still knocking around in the lift, been there for years but I reckon it's good to go.

Interestingly, the "Preparing for Emergencies" booklet the UK Gov't released doesn't mention storing a certain amount of food, just reccomends it. Mind you, I've seen a police officer toss a copy in the bin without a second look, which says a lot about it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:34 pm    Post subject: water Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think the shelf life of water will depend on what type of water you store. If it was filtered properly then it should be good.

I have several bottles of water purification tables that can be used to kill of any bad guys that might have grown because of long term storage.

I thought this web site interesting to say the least. Preparidness for right now not waiting for post peak to occur.

I do think it stirs thought in many people. I have enjoyed telling people about this site and asking them if they have looked at it. They always return with some good debate at some level or another.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:44 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

A little unscented bleach added to your water, stored in an air tight container away from sunlight can last quite a while, lots of info in the Food Storage download here: http://www.peakoil.com/downcat2.html
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:24 am    Post subject: bleaCH Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

One table spoon of bleach to a gallon of water makes a sanitizer. Look to you local health department. I am sure if this will sanitize it will kill germs for drinking.

*Ratio of Clorox Bleach to Water for Purification

2 drops of Regular Clorox Bleach per quart of water

8 drops of Regular Clorox Bleach per gallon of water

1/2 teaspoon Regular Clorox Bleach per five gallons of water

If water is cloudy, double the recommended dosages of Clorox Bleach.

(Only use Regular Clorox Bleach (not Fresh Scent or Lemon Fresh). To insure that Clorox Bleach is at its full strength, replace your storage bottle every three months.)

**(Clorox Bleach Sanitizing Solution)

Mix 1 tablespoon Regular Clorox Bleach with one gallon of water. Always wash and rinse items first, then let each item soak in Clorox Bleach Sanitizing Solution for 2 minutes. Drain and air dry.

Sanitizing is important knowledge if any pathogens are present.

Also see: http://www.newjerusalem.com/PureWater.htm
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