I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:04 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
cheaplaughs wrote:
Did anyone of you wonder how the victim's of the last
catastrophe on this planet voted
That is an excellent post, I agree 100%. We should not hesitate to help people who are in need, despite their individual political or religious beleifs.
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:03 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
cheaplaughs wrote:
Did anyone of you wonder how the victim's of the last catastrophe on this planet voted I think not.
Doesn't matter - since the Indonesians don't act like they own the world, unlike Bush and several of his predecessors.
We might hate what the Indonesians do within their own borders, and plenty of Australians are boycotting cheap tourism there. However, the worst they have done to us is far less significant than kidnapping Australians in third countries, starting wars, developing weapons of mass destruction (and crapping on piously about WMDs while being the only country that has actually deployed them in anger - twice - talk about hypocrites).
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:04 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
a great analogy of America is a naughty toddler who has all the toys and won't let anyone else have them - a case of mine , mine , mine
He laughs or doesn't pay any attention when others get hurt or are sad, he bullies those smaller or those that are different in any way to him and when he falls down the stairs, the adults (rest of the world) sort of think, 'well it serves him right' but they will go and pick him up anyway and swab his bruises and wipe his tears, knowing full well that when he's fully better he'll just be as big a bastard as he always was, but hailing the day he finally grows up and says sorry.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:25 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
KevO wrote:
a great analogy of America is a naughty toddler who has all the toys and won't let anyone else have them - a case of mine , mine , mine
He laughs or doesn't pay any attention when others get hurt or are sad, he bullies those smaller or those that are different in any way to him and when he falls down the stairs, the adults (rest of the world) sort of think, 'well it serves him right' but they will go and pick him up anyway and swab his bruises and wipe his tears, knowing full well that when he's fully better he'll just be as big a bastard as he always was, but hailing the day he finally grows up and says sorry.
That's America and the rest of the world know it.
It is not the American general population, which is as exploited as the rest of the world, but it is the group that has taken over control of the government structure that you are describing.
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
Lets say we decided to help. No point sending money, you have more than you know how to spend on this already. You needs brains on the ground and in charge.
We don't have enough guns to make Mayors and Govenors and police Cheifs and FEMA directors and Senators and Congressmen and Presidents work together and listen to reason.
Its a piece of cake fixing NO. America can build cities in the desert overnight for the sheer hell of it. There are water pumps as big as houses that could be shipped in. You could stack up tanks and pour concrete on them to create the biggest leevees ever seen. Hummers can freaking drive around in four feet of water.
There is just some SERIOUS incompetence in there and its getting people killed.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:37 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
gego wrote:
KevO wrote:
a great analogy of America is a naughty toddler who has all the toys and won't let anyone else have them - a case of mine , mine , mine
He laughs or doesn't pay any attention when others get hurt or are sad, he bullies those smaller or those that are different in any way to him and when he falls down the stairs, the adults (rest of the world) sort of think, 'well it serves him right' but they will go and pick him up anyway and swab his bruises and wipe his tears, knowing full well that when he's fully better he'll just be as big a bastard as he always was, but hailing the day he finally grows up and says sorry.
That's America and the rest of the world know it.
It is not the American general population, which is as exploited as the rest of the world, but it is the group that has taken over control of the government structure that you are describing.
Yes sorry I was referring as such.
The reason I get so tetchy about this is that the American people are the lovliest and most hearty on the planet IMO but their system is turning them into dark shadows and they are allowing it to happen right in front of their eyes.
They are lied to and bullied more so in their own country than the US do to the rest of the world because other countries are much more free than the US and the populaces know the score.
The US pop is so in the dark now it'll be a miracle if they ever find rthe light switch.
America is the opposite of free. It is manipulated and oppressed more than a dictatorship.
It's done psychologically with mental conditioning thro' the media, advertising and the recital of that brainwashing mantra -'I swear allegiance...' that they all have to say as kids.
At least a dictators' control is obvious but in the US (and bear in mind Europe is not far behind noe esp the UK) it's far darker and the imprint on the mind is as good as permanent and that sucks.
so the rest of the world are very compassionate to the US now which I feel is different as when the US 'help' others it's for selfish reasons - just like a naughty child _________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSFLSTb5KfU
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:43 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
It's "I PLEDGE allegience" because it's considered a sin to swear, and if you're a kid they don't want you to get any ideas so even the word "swear" isn't used. And you get taught it at home, so it's old hat by the time you get into 1st grade and start in swearing that thing daily, which you'll do until you are 18, or graduate from the 12th grade in high school, whichever comes first.
Bush is too Left for me, a real Conservative wouldn't meddle in other countries' affairs overseas, and would like to see his people strong and independent, not dependent on the products of foreigners. A real right-wing mofo would encourage trains, biking, small farming, a self-sufficient and STRONG populace, kinda like Switzerland, We won't start anything, and if you start it with us, we'll end it for ya - Switzerland is armed to the teeth! Oh, and this is banned news in the US but Switzerland (and many other European countries) have been moving rightward politically for the last several years.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:46 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
I_Like_Plants wrote:
a real Conservative wouldn't meddle in other countries' affairs overseas, and would like to see his people strong and independent, not dependent on the products of foreigners. A real right-wing mofo would encourage trains, biking, small farming, a self-sufficient and STRONG populace, kinda like Switzerland, We won't start anything, and if you start it with us, we'll end it for ya - Switzerland is armed to the teeth! Oh, and this is banned news in the US but Switzerland (and many other European countries) have been moving rightward politically for the last several years.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:36 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
I think this might be a good time to let people realize what they are doing. They have had warnings, but just would not listen. Don't bet against nature, you will lose.
What did Bush say about Kyoto: won't do any such thing if it means hurting the economy.
What reason was there to underestimate the forces of nature. It is not the first time this happened. Why should we sent money so that they can make the same mistakes over and over again. They (should) have gotten insurance, that should pay for it. If they could not get insurence, that should have told them something.
And why should they be the first on my list to receive aid? Won't I help more people in the long run if instead that money is used to help take care of nature? How much of his personal wealth has Bush donated? Doesn't that tell us how much he cares about the standard of living of the US citizens?
If anyone should give them aid, you should first have them agree on some things like:
- don't rebuild in those unsafe places.
- conserve energy. Very high taxes on energy, and use that tax income to repair the damage done to nature.
- ...[sustainable living]...
If they don't agree on that, then no aid. Before I give aid I think: who will inflict less damage to nature with that money, me or them?
Sadly there are also a lot of innocent victems: the children.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:13 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
It is very sad to see NO gone especially since it had more culture than most places. However, I just wonder at what people are thinking when they build a city that is largely below sea level (I know they do it in Holland but they have no choice).
When NO was being built did they not have enough land around that was above sea level to build on??
I have no doubt that the city will be rebuilt in record time but it will only flood again at some stage in the future. _________________ www.askaboutenergy.com
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
tinosorb wrote:
MacG wrote:
I know, the people struck by this disaster had nothing to do with all the lies and violence from your government, but I'm emotionally shut down. Sorry.
I fail to see how anyone could remain unmoved after reading this:
I turn ice-cold inside when seeing how a government treat it's own citizens. The poor ones at that. The sole excuse for having a government at all is to protect the governed.
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
aflatoxin wrote:
Hopefully, not too OT:
What are the sentiments of the rest of the planet?
After 911, some mourned with us, others jumped for joy and handed candy to their children.
Are we crybabies with a splinter? A real disaster? Have we spent our goodwill? Does the rest of the world care about the US? (apart from the "consumer")
Just curious.
<shields full power>
I’m a very small part of the "rest of the world", and I'm totally on your side on this.
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:35 am Post subject: Re: Katrina- what does the rest of the planet think?
I am a typical wealthy american capitalist.
A simple announcement of sympathies from foreign governments would be more than sufficient, in my view. We don't need financial supprt, at least not this year.
Those that wish to stand back and claim we have received or just desserts can kiss my ass. _________________ "It's still all about energy!"
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