Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:44 am Post subject: Re: i've always dreamed about peak oil
Humans will remain in the hundreds of millions. What will vanish is the 20th century world of cheap energy, abundant consumer goods, and cheap food. _________________ "The world is changed... I feel it in the water... I feel it in the earth... I smell it in the air... Much that once was, is lost..." - Galadriel
Joined: Jul 15, 2004 Posts: 43 Location: New Zealand
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:46 am Post subject: Re: i've always dreamed about peak oil
When I was a little kid I used to have a recurring nightmare about an enormous, enormous tyre (perhaps 4 stories high) that rolled and rumbled ominously over the horizon and into view, towards me, and then with a deafening roar it squashed - with utter destruction, precision and 'meaninglessness'- a beautiful, perfect little cottage with pretty and innocent flowers and a white picket fence.
I always woke up with such horror and desperation after that! I ran to Mum and she gave me a hot chocko, in the middle of the night, many times.
And I could never bring myself to have a home with a white picket fence, for that reason!!!
When I first heard about peak oil, I vividly remembered that dream- the tyre signifying oil and the automobile etc, and the cottage symbolising the western dream world, and the innocence within it.
So maybe it was a dream about peak oil.
Joined: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 92 Location: Sydney, Australia
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:14 am Post subject: Re: i've always dreamed about peak oil
CeeCee wrote:
When I first heard about peak oil, I vividly remembered that dream- the tyre signifying oil and the automobile etc, and the cottage symbolising the western dream world, and the innocence within it.
So maybe it was a dream about peak oil.
I'd believe it was.
I've always had an uneasiness about suburbs, even when I was in school. I knew in my bones humans were not designed to live in suburbs. And now look what is happening...
Joined: Jul 15, 2004 Posts: 43 Location: New Zealand
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:01 am Post subject: Re: i've always dreamed about peak oil
That was very perceptive for a young age. I didn't get that awareness until last year- I now see suburbs in terms of "where's the food"???? Where are the fruit trees, where are the gardens... ????" I grew up on a suburban culdesac in Canada- I remember it being a wonderful place to grow up, but I remember being glad we didn't live on a long straight road.
I went back to Canada for a visit in 1995 and couldn't believe that so many suburban homes don't have ordinary old-fashioned fireplaces. I'm not sure what they rely on for heating, but there was no provision for the good old 'manual back-up'. This time last year I wrote a letter to my friend in Canada and urged her to stock up on extra firewood. I felt a bit dopey doing it but found I couldn't not do it. She didn't mind, though.
So anyone reading this who lives in a suburban house in North America, or anywhere in the world for that matter, and who is facing a cold winter, without a fireplace- please get one installed (or a log burner) and stock up on firewood, just in case.
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:37 am Post subject: Re: i've always dreamed about peak oil
pstarr wrote:
i've always wished for a world without humans. It's coming.
Reminds me of an episode of the Twilight Zone that I watched just yesterday . I think it was entitled "Where is Everybody?" The main character managed to "disappear" everyone on earth, except himself, of course. Then he realized he was bored out of his mind with no interaction. So he tried to bring back everyone else, but made them all just like himself. He wasn't satisfied with that either, because everyone hated people. Not terribly pleasant companionship. He ended up bringing everyone back the way they were. I don't think I'd go quite that far.
Nope, I'd rather not get rid of all the humans, just the greedy, stupid "users" - those who consume endlessly without ever giving anything back, thinking all the while that they somehow deserve everything they're taking.
K
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:18 am Post subject: Re: i've always dreamed about peak oil
CarlinsDarlin wrote:
Nope, I'd rather not get rid of all the humans, just the greedy, stupid "users" - those who consume endlessly without ever giving anything back, thinking all the while that they somehow deserve everything they're taking.
K
That's what I think sometimes, just look at the determination at which oil is extracted worldwide, as if humanity would "own"it...
Yes the correction will be justified, but watch out words like these are also used by worped extremist religious people to support their weired agendas. I started a thread once called "PO, the big cleanser" until later I found out that this is exactely what the religious right is stating. (Not in context of PO but a punishing God).
Anyway, what you are stating in regards to endless consumerism while never giving back hits the nail on the head, it is a system out of equilibrium and the driving mechanism is called "money". Michael C. Ruppert stated not to long ago in an interview when asked what he would change if he could: "the way money works".
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: i've always dreamed about peak oil
A world without humans is pretty unlikely. As Stewart Brand pointed out. Humans are more like cockroaches than Polar Bears. We can live in a wide range of environmental niches not just one.
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: i've always dreamed about peak oil
felixdz wrote:
As Stewart Brand pointed out. Humans are more like cockroaches than Polar Bears. We can live in a wide range of environmental niches not just one.
Yes, I read an article that used the word 'weed species' for species that could adapt and exploit most environments. Weed species include humans, cockroaches, rats and pigeons.
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:05 am Post subject: Re: i've always dreamed about peak oil
I was a kid and I woke up in the night and looked out my window on a bright full moon. There was a beer can in the gutter across the street and the shiney end reflected the moon back in my window--like the sun. It was like a day without people.
I used to hide in the dark wood until my friends gave up looking for me. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:43 am Post subject: Re: i've always dreamed about peak oil
pstarr wrote:
i've always wished for a world without humans. It's coming.
Well, me too, but not by a peak oil. I was thinking rather about sth. like VHEMT style extinction. { Yes, so unrealistic - "voluntary." } The best would be mass infertility or sth. like that.
But definitely not so sudden and cruel. Not in an explosion of anarchy and brutal, infernal mayhem.
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ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap 
. I think it was entitled "Where is Everybody?" The main character managed to "disappear" everyone on earth, except himself, of course. Then he realized he was bored out of his mind with no interaction. So he tried to bring back everyone else, but made them all just like himself. He wasn't satisfied with that either, because 
