Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: Aug 31, 2004 Posts: 275 Location: Austin, TX
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: New Orleans: Dress rehearsal for America?
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Local police departments are the feet of clay that will sink the whole police state concept. Trust me on this. Because if the federal government attempts to impose broader martial law, you’ll see cops pointing guns at cops. And every real cop I have ever known understands that this must never happen. That does not include cases of criminal behavior by rogue police. I’m talking about a fight between cops over what the law is. We who have carried badge and gun have all pondered this and understood that when that happens it’s all over for everything anyway. When the “revolution” gets to this point it will have won.
Police will even fight police within municipal departments if this happens, but only for a very, very short time. Then probably both factions will turn and fight the Feds or simply to protect their own communities; the places where they live. The places they don’t want to see destroyed. The reason all these other cops have gone to New Orleans is because they know that their city might be next. They don’t trust Uncle Sam and they’re going to want some back up when their turn comes. Unlike most of America, they’ll get it.
The two reported suicides of New Orleans Police may have done more to change the course of history than we will ever know. – MCR
From The Wilderness
Joined: Jul 11, 2005 Posts: 168 Location: North Australia
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: New Orleans: Dress rehearsal for America?
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I argue that the reason the response was slow, was because there was no point is saving a city that would eventually be destroyed or abandoned anyway. Say you're a high level politician, aware of P.O., and expect the worse to come out of it. All major and industrialized cities are generally screwed. Why save a city like New Orleans, when such a city, so dependent on oil, would fail in a post-peak world anyway?
I argue the goverment did nothing (for awhile) just too see how the situation would play out, i.e how long can people go it alone with out decending into complete chaos, 48hrs was'nt it
so when your local petrol (gas) station runs dry, supermarket shelves are empty you've got 48hrs up your sleve to...what can you do _________________ Life without knowledge, is death in disguise
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: New Orleans: Dress rehearsal for America?
The response was poor because government is incompentent.
The response was poor because nobody takes care of you as well as you would, and if you didn't judge well enough to take care of yourself, do you really think that someone who has less interest in you is going to do a better job?
The response was poor because this was an impossible situation.
This tells you what happens when the power fails; no refrigeration; no a/c; no lights; no communication; no water; no sewerage. Imagine this nationwide simultaneously, for months on end, because that is how peak oil will culminate. It won't be the failure to grow food that causes massive deaths; rather, it will be the failure of the personal environment for millions. No FEMA to help you, no Red Cross, no salvation army, and no politicians to do public relations tours, just you and your failure to place yourself in a sustainable environment.
This site is a prime example of people who want someone else (like politicians) to make things right, while you keep yourself in an environment where, just like the non-evacuees of New Orleans and the Mississippi ocean front, you do not stand a chance. The intiial surge of the peak oil dieoff from loss of the electric system will make the tidal surges of Katrina look friendly.
Passivity and dependency are evolutionary dead ends for adults.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: New Orleans: Dress rehearsal for America?
Look, the government knows exactly what it is doing. FEMA did everything in its power to make the situation worse. They besieged the city, actively preventing supplies from entering and people from leaving. When law and order broke down, the government had the excuse they needed to declare war on the people of New Orleans. Now, they are going from house to house confiscating guns and forcing people from their property. This includes areas that were not flooded, and people who had enough supplies to survive for a year if need be. This is a blueprint for the rest of America.
We all know how they will respond. The government will appoint an "independent" commission which will conclude that we need an even bigger government to respond to future some crisis. After this is in place, the government will create that crisis.
After FEMA takes over, the USA is dead. The nations of the world will eventually be merged into a world government. This is the plan.
The police will resist the New World Order. The New World Order is well aware of this. Civil war is a very real possibility.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: New Orleans: Dress rehearsal for America?
Chicagoan wrote:
Look, the government knows exactly what it is doing. FEMA did everything in its power to make the situation worse. They besieged the city, actively preventing supplies from entering and people from leaving.
Exactly, and the Cajun local government officials in the outlying rural areas aren't taking it lying down. Jefferson, Plaquemines, and Slidell have threatened FEMA operatives with arrest at gunpoint. A second US revolution in a few years is a real possibility unless the elites replace the neocons with a better management team. _________________ "The world is changed... I feel it in the water... I feel it in the earth... I smell it in the air... Much that once was, is lost..." - Galadriel
Joined: May 17, 2004 Posts: 1969 Location: Democratic People's Republic of Washington
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:08 am Post subject: Re: New Orleans: Dress rehearsal for America?
IMHO, there is no more befitting of a comparison than a "Dress Rehersal". I see this as the actions that the BATFE, DHS, and FEMA will take upon the citizenry once a "National Emergency" is declared. With the MSM on the side of the government, (regardles of political branch), and executive orders authorizing media censorship, the sheeple will gladly fall into the ditch that the feds have dug. Just take a look at Waco, or Ruby Ridge. Hell, Randy Weaver couldn't have been all bad, he did contribute $5,000 for a new lodge at the, (somewhat), local boy scout camp lodge. As far as I am concerned, this is the final dress rehersal, and the play is tomorrow. All I have to say is that I have a full carton full of rotten eggs for the actors on the stage. I've had about enough of the JBTs personally. _________________ Here Lies the United States Of America.
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:28 am Post subject: Re: New Orleans: Dress rehearsal for America?
I heard a report this morning that the Gov. of South Carolina (? or is it North Carolina? - wherever Ophelia is expected to make landfall) has already activated the state's National Guard and told them to deploy to the area. He doesn't want to get caught with his pants down and have a repeat of the fiasco with Katrina - but for a category 1 (barely) storm???
K
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: NYT: A Big Government Fix-It Plan for NOLA...
Proving once again that ideals can be compromised if it means reelection...
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A Big Government Fix-It Plan for New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER
Published: January 5, 2006
BATON ROUGE, La. - Into the void of the post-Katrina policy landscape, littered with half-ruined proposals, crumbling prescriptions and washed-out initiatives, an obscure and very conservative congressman has stepped in with the ultimate big government solution.
Representative Richard H. Baker, a Republican from suburban Baton Rouge who derides Democrats for not being sufficiently free-market, is the unlikely champion of a housing recovery plan that would make the federal government the biggest landowner in New Orleans - for a while, at least. Mr. Baker's proposed Louisiana Recovery Corporation would spend as much as $80 billion to pay off lenders, restore public works, buy huge ruined chunks of the city, clean them up and then sell them back to developers... link to NYT article
The article is littered with incongruous big-government quotes from this notorious free-marketeer. Worth a read, if only for further posts. _________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: NYT: A Big Government Fix-It Plan for NOLA...
Try this quote on for size (from an outspoken libertarian, mind you):
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A sobering early flyover of the ruined neighborhoods in New Orleans convinced him that ordinary solutions would not work. Here was a problem way beyond the capacity of private enterprise. "In this case, everything's gone," Mr. Baker said. "Total elimination. So I have argued that this does require a precedent-setting remedy. And if we don't do this, what do you foresee for the region two years from now?"
Sure sounds like a plan we might see when the real estate bubble bursts and equity holders start demanding payment... _________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12730 Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: NYT: A Big Government Fix-It Plan for NOLA...
People seem to have an almost mystical belief in central government. When things go wrong, the government is supposed to fix it. There seems to be some sort of blind faith that they can fix it if they want to. If they don't it's corruption or malfeasance. I'll bet the line that seperates us from chaos aint too thick or firm. I guess we're going to find out one of these days. Seems to be the same thing with big science. If they haven't cured cancer, it's a conspiracy by the drug companies because otherwise we'd have our cure. We've all seen how screwed up the legal system is. Universities are dumbed down. Hell, we can't even build a cheap muscle-car anymore. Movies are chit. Damn! It's like The Langoliers by Steven King.
Joined: Sep 02, 2005 Posts: 3047 Location: In a Nigerian compound surrounded by mighty dignataries
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: NYT: A Big Government Fix-It Plan for NOLA...
I know home sales in N.Texas are unusually high. Realators credit it to New Orleans transplants. I think the reality that the goverment and the private sector just can't cover everything or protect them next time is sinking in. Thus, no one is going to go back.
EB, are you seeing lots of New Orleans transplants in Austin? _________________ Hair in my eyes like a highland steer, spring in my step like a white tailed deer. Hitch in my hip like an old sheep dog, puff up my chest like a big bull frog.-Corb Lund
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: NYT: A Big Government Fix-It Plan for NOLA...
PrairieMule wrote:
I know home sales in N.Texas are unusually high. Realators credit it to New Orleans transplants. I think the reality that the goverment and the private sector just can't cover everything or protect them next time is sinking in. Thus, no one is going to go back. EB, are you seeing lots of New Orleans transplants in Austin?
Not really, I think the cost of living is too great for many LA residents down here. Rents are crazy, house prices are even crazier. 'Affordable' rents anywhere near work are ~$600/mo. for a small 1 bedroom apartment. I see perhaps 1 or 2 Louisiana plates on my daily commute and a smattering of Mississippi plates in the mix.
House prices are easily 30-40% up and over similar accommodations in Dallas - big reason that I'm renting right now. _________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: NYT: A Big Government Fix-It Plan for NOLA...
Next big government bailout program, in the spirit of the S&L and the proposed Katrina programs...
Home Owner's Buyout Organization
Did you make some financial boo-boos such as building property on a floodplain without insurance or over-speculating in a hot market? Well, the government is happy to buy out your hallucinated equity and take the risk out of your quest to make money. The American taxpayer is more than happy to buy your property, adapt it for a post-PO climate and sell it back to you, no questions asked! This is all brought to you by Hewlett Packard Corporation, purveyors of the fastest monetary printing presses on the planet Earth! HP, invent. _________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
Joined: Sep 02, 2005 Posts: 3047 Location: In a Nigerian compound surrounded by mighty dignataries
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: NYT: A Big Government Fix-It Plan for NOLA...
EB-I like acronyms too!
Not Enough Wisdom Offered Regarding Levy Engineering Also Nagin Sucks!
What's that spell?! _________________ Hair in my eyes like a highland steer, spring in my step like a white tailed deer. Hitch in my hip like an old sheep dog, puff up my chest like a big bull frog.-Corb Lund
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Sure sounds like a plan we might see when the real estate bubble bursts and equity holders start demanding payment...
