Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:04 am Post subject: Re: UN capitulated to Bolton
Rogerhb -
that has to be by far the strongest criticism any Secretary General has ever made publicly of any of the nations' decisions.
Remains to be seen how this blue print gets developed in practice . . .
regards,
Backstop _________________ "The best of conservation . . . is written not with a pen but with an axe."
(from "A Sand County Almanac" by Aldo Leopold, 1948.
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:52 am Post subject: Re: UN capitulated to Bolton
Rogerhb -
on reflection, it seems worth responding to your critique of UN member states in not resisting the US.
First, I'd say I'm suprised at the fraction of the proposal they've managed to retain - negotiations have to have been very hard fought indeed.
Second, I think you may be unaware of just how brazenly the US delegates use their power in subduing sufficient states to win votes, or, more to the point, to undermine opposition before things get near a vote.
They don't just regularly twist peoples' arms in threatening loss of goodwill in totally unrelated fields, they periodically break one,
"pour encourager les autres . . ."
Imagine if you'd been the head of say, the Malawi delegation ?
Regards,
Backstop _________________ "The best of conservation . . . is written not with a pen but with an axe."
(from "A Sand County Almanac" by Aldo Leopold, 1948.
Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 5315 Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:54 am Post subject: Re: UN capitulated to Bolton
backstop wrote:
They don't just regularly twist peoples' arms in threatening loss of goodwill in totally unrelated fields, they periodically break one,
"pour encourager les autres . . ."
I totally agree that this is a hard job diplomatically, and I can see Bush's rush to get Bolton in to head this document off at the pass. Unfortunately all the criticisms levelled at Bolton prior to his appointment turned out true. However, this time the sacrifice isn't just the blueprint for the UN it's quite possibly Iran itself that will be the lamb. It won't be the case that okay US can rewrite the agreements made behind the scenes for the last year but then backdown on Iran, it'll be a case of look what we got away with there, let's see how far we can push the Iran issue.
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:10 am Post subject: Re: UN capitulated to Bolton
Rogerhb -
I have some confidence that your fears are unfounded on that front -
If you haven't already seen it, have a look at the latest thread on Nuking Iran. I think most of the 7 main arguments against doing so would also act, to a lesser degree of course, against a conventional attack.
What is unclear is whether, as I suspect, the US has been pushing the oil-price since 2000 while
"Pushing the Chinese up a growth-curve until they go bust",
and if so, whether hitting Iran might be the extension of that policy.
Personally I doubt it as the consequences for the US are both incalculable and, by generating an oil embargo, economically dire.
Hope for the best, & stock up on longjohns ?
regards,
Backstop _________________ "The best of conservation . . . is written not with a pen but with an axe."
(from "A Sand County Almanac" by Aldo Leopold, 1948.
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:11 am Post subject: Re: UN capitulated to Bolton
Quote:
responsibility
A word frequently abused by people in high position but with no consequence unless THEY are on the losing side. _________________ Men argue, nature acts !
Voltaire
"...In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation."
Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 5315 Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: UN capitulated to Bolton
Same old same old.
Quote:
The presentation has not been vetted through standard U.S. intelligence channels because it does not include secret material. One U.S. official involved in the briefing said the intelligence community had nothing to do with the presentation and "probably would have disavowed some of it because it draws conclusions that aren't strictly supported by the facts."
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: UN capitulated to Bolton
Have any of you seen the speech of president of Venezuela Hugo Chavez?
It was a very strong speech, now I understand why Bush didn't gave the visa fast enough, if Chavez had been there before, Bolton proposals would have been completly crushed!
A very good speech, he spoke about peak oil too! (and even more in the 30' press conference)
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