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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:10 pm Post subject: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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Interesting article from the Asia Times.
Welcome to civil war
| Quote: | | The long-term strategy of al-Qaeda in Iraq is not Jordanian, like Zarqawi himself: it is dictated by the Saudi branch of al-Qaeda. The strategy has been spelled out in a series of documents supervised by Sheikh Yussef al-Ayeeri. The most strategic of these documents is called Iraq al-jihad, awal wa akhtar (The jihad in Iraq, hopes and dangers). |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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| And PNAC is no different? |
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stu
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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Welcome to the future clash of civilisations. PNAC strategy vs Al qaeda strategy.
The attempt to democratise the Middle East is the most fascinating thing, geopolitically,that is currently happening in the world. If it does succeed then we should expect peaceful oil supplies in the future as support for Al-qaeda wanes.
Conversely we could see the region go up in smoke, watch as the oil supplies are crippled and the global economy collapse.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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| The writing is on the wall already. We lost the second we invaded. |
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stu
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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To me the most interesting aspect of the article is how it describes Al-Qaeda as a Sunni Muslim movement. All this time I just thought that it was a combined effort by both Sunnis and Shias, regardless of divisions.
This puts things into a whole new perspective for me.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:21 am Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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| stu wrote: | To me the most interesting aspect of the article is how it describes Al-Qaeda as a Sunni Muslim movement. All this time I just thought that it was a combined effort by both Sunnis and Shias, regardless of divisions.
This puts things into a whole new perspective for me. |
The invasion of Iraq has eliminated one of Al-Qaeda's arch-enemies, the secular Saddam regime, but it has replaced it with a Shiite-dominated regime, friendly to Shiite Iran, another Al-Qaeda enemy.
I'm skeptical about the article's claim about Mohammad Ibrahim al-Mekkawi, aka Saif al-Adl finding "refuge" in Iran - more likely a high security prison if the Iranian authorities find him.
(EDIT)The Iranians are also happy about the US getting rid of their other arch-enemy, the Sunni Taleban in Afghanistan and replacing it with a weak, divided, unstable regime.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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| stu wrote: | Welcome to the future clash of civilisations. PNAC strategy vs Al qaeda strategy.
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Perhaps it is a clash but one to the mutual benefit of each. Al Qaeda gets to kill off the Saud's and PNAC gets the US, and they both get very fat on the profits.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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You do realize that Al Qaeda is a CIA front.  They are no different then the PNAC folks. Al Qaeda creates the problem. When the twin towers fell Americans reacted with rage and were willing to attack any nation the government was willing to blame. So our military is carrying out the globalist's plan. When America collapses, the UN will take over direct rule of the occupied territories, including the United States itself. By that time, our government will have become so oppressive that many people will welcome the UN occupation army. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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| Chicagoan wrote: | | You do realize that Al Qaeda is a CIA front. |
I have asked in various forums for the exact date when Osama ceased to be a "Freedom Fighter" (backed by the CIA via $audi$) and became a terri'st "bad guy". Never got any answer - good way to end a discussion. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:11 am Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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"You do realize that Al Qaeda is a CIA front."
And you do realize how long ago the Quaran(sp) was written? Which they actually believe in and follow.
I don't agree with the Oil wars, but OBL, Al - Zakawi etc. are 100% real, and would saw your head off with a rusty blade the first chance they got.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:20 am Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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Lol, what a bullshit sci-fi 
And calling Al Quaeda, who hate jews semitic is really nice twist
War is peace! |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:45 am Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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| Chicagoan wrote: | | You do realize that Al Qaeda is a CIA front. They are no different then the PNAC folks. Al Qaeda creates the problem. When the twin towers fell Americans reacted with rage and were willing to attack any nation the government was willing to blame. So our military is carrying out the globalist's plan. When America collapses, the UN will take over direct rule of the occupied territories, including the United States itself. By that time, our government will have become so oppressive that many people will welcome the UN occupation army. |
Man you should be holed up in a bunker in Texas or at least Montana? 
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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| knightrd wrote: | | The writing is on the wall already. We lost the second we invaded. |
That's the loser mentality.  |
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HonestPessimist
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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| stu wrote: | To me the most interesting aspect of the article is how it describes Al-Qaeda as a Sunni Muslim movement. All this time I just thought that it was a combined effort by both Sunnis and Shias, regardless of divisions.
This puts things into a whole new perspective for me. |
Look at the broader historical perspective: this is an age-old conflict between the Sunni version of Islam and the Shia version of Islam. Which is better for Islam?
Al Qaeda is a Sunni-based faction branching off from a hardcore Wahhabi movement in southeastern Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Osama bin Laden and the entire Bin Laden family is Yemeni Arabic. You wouldn't find a Shia Muslim in al Qaeda cell. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: The seven point Al-Qaeda plan to dominate the world |
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| Chicagoan wrote: | | You do realize that Al Qaeda is a CIA front. |
A myth that have been largely misunderstood and confounded to the death by the same kind of people who also believed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to be real and genuine, even it have been proven a grand hoax many times.
The only reason people like you that believed al Qaeda to be a CIA front is the association and support of the CIA with the mujahideen warriors fighting against the Soviets in the Afghan war in 1980s. It is no different than the KGB's role in supporting and arming the North Vietnamese guerillas against Southern Vietnamese and American troops in the early years of the Vietnam War. The Soviet-Afghan war was a CIA payback for the Soviet Union's and KGB's involvements in the Vietnam War. Payback's a bitch.
The organization that we called "al Qaeda" all the times in the news doesn't really identify itself as al Qaeda. It is actually called The International Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders. However, al Qaeda sounded short and fast to say or type than to say or type the IFFJAJAC. 
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When America collapses, the UN will take over direct rule of the occupied territories, including the United States itself. By that time, our government will have become so oppressive that many people will welcome the UN occupation army. |
That entire statement itself is very contradicting. |
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