Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:19 am Post subject: Re: Global warming "past the point of no return".
Cyrus wrote:
Quote:
I think the whole issue of global warming is grossly overstated. Making a mountain out of a molehill as it were.
How so?
Not to offend but, do you not care about the condition of the environment, as long as it's livable, in your area, for a short period?
It is becoming very obvious it is being destroyed. Whether you care or not is another story.
Because, there is irrefutable proof the climate has changed, including having Ice Ages and global warming periods. These all happened before the first well was ever drilled, in fact some of these happened long before man was rubbing two sticks together to make fire.
So, knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt the world has warmed and cooled how could you possibly say this warming period (Which may or may not be directly caused by humans) is somehow going to destroy the world?
Its assinine. Its flawed logic.
Did the Earth survive previous wamring and cooling cycles?
Yes.
Were these cycles before mans current culture was even thought of?
Yes.
Will this current climate change destroy the Earth?
Only if you listen to the extreme enevironmentalists who are very much out of touch with reality.
Theres a whole boatload of money for scientific research. You people are always the first to buy into a tinfoil hat scenario no matter how looney it is.
Heres a beleivable one for you.
Certain members of the scientific community get A LOT of money to convince people these normal changes in the Earths weather are directly caused by what we are doing. You think they would come out and tell you "Well, these changes have happened before, so its normal" when they stand to lose MILLIONS?
I doubt it. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:38 am Post subject: Re: Global warming "past the point of no return".
I don't think the world is going to be 'destroyed' by global warming. The environment will be 'destroyed' in so far as it will be unable to sustain much life. And this sort of thing has occured before triggered by natural phenonenom but possibly we may have triggered a global warming event all by ourselves.
I remember reading a report that said last time vast amounts of CO2 were released by volcanos into the atmosphere there was a massive extinction event when the world heated up and methane was released in a postive feedback cycle. It could be that we have unwittingly triggered this postive cycle by our fossil fuel activities.
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:48 am Post subject: Re: Global warming "past the point of no return".
Raxozanne wrote:
I don't think the world is going to be 'destroyed' by global warming. The environment will be 'destroyed' in so far as it will be unable to sustain much life. And this sort of thing has occured before triggered by natural phenonenom but possibly we may have triggered a global warming event all by ourselves.
I remember reading a report that said last time vast amounts of CO2 were released by volcanos into the atmosphere there was a massive extinction event when the world heated up and methane was released in a postive feedback cycle. It could be that we have unwittingly triggered this postive cycle by our fossil fuel activities.
And I've read a report that said a meteorite slammed into the Earth and threw billions of tons of dirt into the air which blocked the sun, killed all the plants and caused mass starvation.
By my plan, sunlight exposure dwindles and plants die.
By yours, plants should (theoretically) thrive.
Course, I've also read reports that said "Well, we dont KNOW what happened, but we do know there sure were some changes!"
Too many people take a possible and make it a probable.
We KNOW the climate changed before man was a contributing factor.
We KNOW life existed before and after these changes.
We KNOW these changes do not happen overnight.
I dont see this as being the alarming scenario a few overpaid keep-the-funding-coming scientists say it is. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:07 am Post subject: Re: Global warming "past the point of no return".
Raxozanne wrote:
Specop_007 wrote:
I dont see this as being the alarming scenario a few overpaid keep-the-funding-coming scientists say it is.
Well that's your perogative but I'm going to camp with the global warming people having been wooed by the evidence for their theory
To each their own.
I'll camp with the no worries crowd due to the evidence provided by the facts. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:15 am Post subject: Re: Global warming "past the point of no return".
Specop_007 wrote:
I'll camp with the no worries crowd due to the evidence provided by the facts.
Which you will, i'm sure, one day, provide.
p.s. yes the earth has warmed and cooled before, the problem is the great speed, relatively speaking, at which it is happening now.
http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=1136
Also, just because some life on earth survived previous climate changes doesn't mean 6.5+ billion humans can survive these ones.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:24 am Post subject: Re: Global warming "past the point of no return".
If emmisions stay at current levels till around 2050 then decline we get a whole 1 degree of warming, woohoo. I don't understand why a lot of peak oilers think we will have collapse of industrial society/die-off AND a huge climate disaster, its unlikely coal could be ramped up fast enough to replace oil.
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Global warming "past the point of no return".
Liamj wrote:
Specop_007 wrote:
I'll camp with the no worries crowd due to the evidence provided by the facts.
Which you will, i'm sure, one day, provide.
p.s. yes the earth has warmed and cooled before, the problem is the great speed, relatively speaking, at which it is happening now.
http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=1136
Also, just because some life on earth survived previous climate changes doesn't mean 6.5+ billion humans can survive these ones.
Provide facts?
The facts I've provided are basic things people learn in.....Hell, I cant even remember...8th grade?
Guess you didnt do too well in school did you. Ride the slow bus did we?
_________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:27 am Post subject: Re: Global warming "past the point of no return".
Tyler_JC wrote:
I personally don't think we have enough fossil fuels to cause runaway global warming, that is, unless we decide to burn everything we have left. (Which is certainly possible).
See, nothing to worry about. Tyler_JC clearly knows more than these climatologists, who after all, are only scientists who have been studying these things their entire professional lives. I mean really, why should they know more about it than the average Joe? _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Global warming "past the point of no return".
Global warming believers really need to stop using this terminology pronto.
Why? Well, if we've passed the point of no return, nothing society can do even if it cared would change the inevitability of the situation.
Declaring we've passed the PoNR is a green light to keep polluting IMHO. But then, IMHO global warming itself is overrated. There will always be debate over the subject for as long as we've got stored up fossil fuels ready to be burned. _________________ The purpose of human life revolves around an endless need to extract ever increasing amounts of carbon out of the ground and then release it into the atmosphere.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Global warming "past the point of no return".
Ludi wrote:
Tyler_JC wrote:
I personally don't think we have enough fossil fuels to cause runaway global warming, that is, unless we decide to burn everything we have left. (Which is certainly possible).
See, nothing to worry about. Tyler_JC clearly knows more than these climatologists, who after all, are only scientists who have been studying these things their entire professional lives. I mean really, why should they know more about it than the average Joe?
Yup. I can think of at least one other famous climatologist: the monster Bush.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Global warming "past the point of no return".
MrPC wrote:
But then, IMHO global warming itself is overrated.
Look! Another expert! See, no worries; MrPC says so. What matter the permafrost is melting! _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
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