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EnergySpin
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 Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: A new paradigm at the UN |
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| ElijahJones wrote: | "For the first time at this summit we are agreed that states do not have the right to do what they will within their own borders but that we in the name of humanity have a common duty to protect people where their own governments will not."
Tony Blair, United Nations Summit September 2005
How would you interpret this statement in light of the current situation in the world? |
This was the justification given for NATO interventions in Kossovo in 1999.
This is old news ... and essentially overrides the 1648 Westphalia Treaty which had underlined the principle of sovereignity in international law since then.
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RonMN
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: A new paradigm at the UN |
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I do see what you're saying about "new world order" and "big brother"...however, what would you do if you had to make the choice in kossovo?
Could you just sit & watch while genocide was happening right infront of you? There was like half a million people (or more) in a valley with NOTHING! not even a place to squat.
So while you can casually sit behind the keyboard & complain...let me ask you again...if you were the man with the power, what decision would you make in that position? |
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RdSnt
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: A new paradigm at the UN |
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| RonMN wrote: | I do see what you're saying about "new world order" and "big brother"...however, what would you do if you had to make the choice in kossovo?
Could you just sit & watch while genocide was happening right infront of you? There was like half a million people (or more) in a valley with NOTHING! not even a place to squat.
So while you can casually sit behind the keyboard & complain...let me ask you again...if you were the man with the power, what decision would you make in that position? |
I would quietly send in a hit squad and murder all the people at the top and then work down the food chain until the link was broken between the instigators and the stooges. Then pull the squad out and let the citizenry of the country sort their own affairs out.
A judo move rather than the blunt force trauma of arial bombing.
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cheRand
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: A new paradigm at the UN |
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| Quote: | "For the first time at this summit we are agreed that states do not have the right to do what they will within their own borders but that we in the name of humanity have a common duty to protect people where their own governments will not."
Tony Blair, United Nations Summit September 2005
How would you interpret this statement in light of the current situation in the world? |
I would interpret it as compelling justification for opening dialog on Kyoto! But first, convince me there are benevolent constraints. I'm pretty satisfied with UN Human Rights policy. I'm guessing that political strength and influence are factors limiting the effectivenss of this manifesto... not the least of which is that it came from Tony Blair. |
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cheRand
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: A new paradigm at the UN |
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| The horrifying part is that the US & Britain are "doing something" about Peak Oil... self-negating select members of the population incident to strengthening their global position for remaining supplies. Its rather synergistic, though not humane. A Joseph Tainter article someplace on this website describes war as (my analogy) Texas Hold'em. If you don't have the resources to ante, you lose. But it is a huge social committment to engage in war, because troops must be fed/housed and armed with the society's extra production. Oil makes it possible to do this, along with credit and a history of stability which we're "spending" pretty fast. |
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Chicagoan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: A new paradigm at the UN |
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| RonMN wrote: | I do see what you're saying about "new world order" and "big brother"...however, what would you do if you had to make the choice in kossovo?
Could you just sit & watch while genocide was happening right infront of you? There was like half a million people (or more) in a valley with NOTHING! not even a place to squat.
So while you can casually sit behind the keyboard & complain...let me ask you again...if you were the man with the power, what decision would you make in that position? |
Yogoslavia was resisting the globalists. The CIA sent Al Qaeda in to increase ethnic tensions. When the Serbs took the bait, the country erupted into civil war. This is yet one more ecample of the Illuminatists creating a problem so they can offer their solution. |
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