U.S invades Canada--Trigger event?

falser

Declaring war against Canada would automatically bring England into it, and half of Europe would probably follow without hesitation. Never going to happen.

RdSnt

rogerhb

LadyRuby

I just don't see the U.S. invading Canada. Hard for me to imagine a scenario by which that would happen. For one, I don't think Canada would let things get so bad that an invasion would be possible. Like it or not, you (Canada) are stuck with us. On the other hand, I have heard that since the reelection of Bush a lot of Americans have moved up north. I was so disgusted myself that I seriously fantasized about it.

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hotsacks · Heavy Crude Joined: May 13, 2005 Posts: 455

i still remember levesque scuttling off to address the boston investment bankers before the first separation referendum.The old fox knew where the eggs in Quebec's pantry were laid.
I suspect any long term American strategy for Canada concludes with:Why waste the bullets?
The CFR has issued a report urging a pan North American union beginning with an integration of all US,Mexican and Canadian armed forces.
Our resources have been the backbone in the American imperial design for many,many years.Acronyms like 'Esso' and 'Imperial Oil' do not confer sovereignity.Too large a percentage of our crucial economic decisions have been made in Houston,Washington.New York.
Cry my beloved country.

MrBill · Expert Joined: Sep 15, 2005 Posts: 5650 Location: Eurasia

Fresh water and the tar sands are two good reasons to invade Canada, but America really does not have to with 87% of Canada's exports already flowing south to the USA. If the US is short of either water or gas then it will just apply pressure to Ottawa to acquies and allow more supplies. First under temporary emergency relief to help a neighbor in need and then later on a more or less permanent basis.

First of all, the USA has ignored NAFTA & WTO rulings and appeals that its behavior is illegal in the softwood lumber dispute, but it also applies to pork and soft winter wheat exports. Second, in the case of fresh water, N. Dakota is ignoring an international water tribunal by sending toxic water from flooded wetlands north via the Red River to Manitoba against Canada's wishes, and the US is already breaking another international treaty by allowing water from beyond the Great Lakes BAsin to be shipped further to neighboring counties and states that have depleted their underground aquafiers.

It is not a great stretch of the imagination to see the US going from breaking international treaties, to making demands, to taking resources from the commons without permission. How will Canada stop? The US already ignores international treaties? We cannot apply force? We are quite helpless. In the face of humiliation, Canadian politicians would sooner make concessions and in the end the concessions will become permanent and allow the wholesale take over of strategic assets.

More than likely all political niceties will go out the window in 50 to 100 years. W. Canada, especially Alberta with oil and BC with mines & minerals, may even be 'invited' to join the USA?

Here is a good article

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/business/article.jsp?content=20050613_107308_107308
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SupplyConcerns · Tar Sands Joined: Mar 18, 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Ohio

Remember the means by which the United States manipulated the rest of the Americas during the Cold War... we have other ways of getting our resources, without resorting to a military invasion. I think the US, if desperate, might plausably try to interfere with Canada's elections and transform it into a latter-day banana republic. So, yeah, as a US citizen I could see us pulling strings/subverting democracy to get a pro-US stooge in charge of Canada. If you think Canadians wouldn't stand for this, I disagree. A country's populous doesn't always riot in the streets when its leaders serve the interests of another nation - American citizens don't seem to mind our military leaders' obsession with protecting Israel at all costs.

MrBill · Expert Joined: Sep 15, 2005 Posts: 5650 Location: Eurasia

Let us just say, hypothetically. Both China and the USA have invested heavily in Canada and then China invades Taiwan, which the USA has said it would defend. Canada applies economic sanctions against the Chinese and the Chinese get very upset and aggressive with Canada. In effect we take America's side along with Japan's in this dispute. However, there has been a lot of cross border investment and cooperation between China and Russia. So Canada may feel insecure with Russia so close. The US offers to help us. However, they make sure that them helping us means us helping them with resources.

Okay, so it might not happen like that, but when faced with two unpleasant choices, usually politicans will take the path of least resistance. It is not exactly like Canadians will get a chance to vote on the issue. The government of the day will simply decide. The Liberals have been in power 70 out of the past 100 years, so in essense, whatever is good for central Canada, Ontario and Quebec, will be the direction Canada goes. The resources are in the west in BC and Alberta and may be sacraficed in the bargain or divided up more likely. BC/Alberta are like Poland and Central Canada/USA are like Germany/USSR.
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Chicagoan · Heavy Crude Joined: Jun 19, 2004 Posts: 315

I don't believe the Pan-American union will result from an American invasion. What will probably happen, and this comes from hours and hours of research, is that Canada and Mexico will send troops to enforce the martial law after the government engineers another terrorist attack. The precedent has already been set in New Orleans. NATO or the UN will take control of American occupied territories overseas, and the liberals will love it. The UN will invade poor third world countries to "help the starving children" and the liberals will love it. You see, the American New World Order is bad. But the European/UN New World Order is wonderful and will save you all from peak oil.

OK, I got off on a rant there. The point is, America will not invade Canada. It may invade Iran or Syria, but that would be the last American war. The US is on the verge of collapse, and soon it will be the rest of the world invading America. And nobody will care. You really do reap what you sow.

MrBill · Expert Joined: Sep 15, 2005 Posts: 5650 Location: Eurasia

Wow, nice rant. if you like you can have my tag line?

hotsacks · Heavy Crude Joined: May 13, 2005 Posts: 455

[q You really do reap what you sow.[/quote][QUOTE]

I'd sleep a lot better if only I could see some proof of that...

rogerhb

Wouldn't America try and get Canada to split on language boundaries first? Good old divide-and-conquer.