I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Joined: Jul 18, 2005 Posts: 105 Location: London, UK
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: trying to ditch the consumer mentality
I am finding this hard, almost like I need a 12-step program.
This addiction to stuff, stuff, more stuff. I think to myself, "why exactly am I walking round the shops aimlessly?" It's because I want to find the answer to life, the univerise and everything outside myself, like administering a drug or a medication.
But like any addiction (I'm a dry alcoholic, have been for 10 years, was a non-dry one before then) it doesn't solve the problem. It's the habit of a lifetime.
I am having quite a bit of success with this, but so far still to go... any tips/advice folks? I ask myself every time I feel tempted to buy something, "is there a real reason I am tempted to buy this, or is it a way of displacing my dissatisfaction, stress, fears or other negative emotion into acquisition?" Works most of the time, not always... I am learning to stay AWAY from malls (difficult, as my workplace entrance is in a mall., walk past all the shops every day on the way to the train..).
Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 1185 Location: Richmond, VA, Pale Blue Dot
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: trying to ditch the consumer mentality
Step 1 - Cut up your credit cards and only bring enough money with you to get you home plus water or something to eat. Pretend it's the only money you'll ever have again. _________________ "If you are a real seeker after truth, it's necessary that at least once in your life you doubt all things as far as possible"-Rene Descartes
"When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth"-Sherlock Holmes
Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 1185 Location: Richmond, VA, Pale Blue Dot
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: trying to ditch the consumer mentality
May the anti-consumer force be with you _________________ "If you are a real seeker after truth, it's necessary that at least once in your life you doubt all things as far as possible"-Rene Descartes
"When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth"-Sherlock Holmes
Joined: Jun 21, 2004 Posts: 413 Location: Massachusetts
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: trying to ditch the consumer mentality
I detest consumerism, but I don't think the mentally should be ditched entirely. I say embrace it responsibly. We're the last ones in human history that will get to know the abundance and cheapness of goods. We might as well make it worth our while.
I personally, just don't buy much of anything. Just a few of the things I really want. I could care less about anything else. I don't deprive myself of what is really important to me, so I might be a consumerist. But I will almost never buy something that I couldn't put to practical use or is of specific interest to me. Its not that hard to do, just boil down everything you buy to the bare essentials and two or three interests. _________________ Vision without action is a dream, action without vision is a nightmare.
Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 5315 Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: trying to ditch the consumer mentality
Sencha wrote:
I detest consumerism, but I don't think the mentally should be ditched entirely. I say embrace it responsibly. We're the last ones in human history that will get to know the abundance and cheapness of goods. We might as well make it worth our while.
You mean while there is some of the planet still hasn't been turned into plastic crap? _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13064 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:54 am Post subject: Re: trying to ditch the consumer mentality
I've been buying a lot more stuff lately because I'm afraid I won't be able to later, that it will be too expensive. So I've been buying a lot of tools and building supplies, spending rather a lot of money. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:49 am Post subject: Re: trying to ditch the consumer mentality
I only buy necessities and useful tools for the future, which I think of as an investment.
People consume because it makes them feel good–I think a study was done on women's brains during shopping sprees that showed the release of endorphins.
I stopped consuming, but now I replaced it by purchasing services, which is worth it b/c at least when you get a massage, you are supporting that person directly. I also spend $$$ on classes: survival weekends, self-defense, etc. Try it - a workout gives you a great sense of satisfaction. _________________ Pretty girls make graves.
Joined: Jul 18, 2005 Posts: 105 Location: London, UK
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: trying to ditch the consumer mentality
stuipd_monkeys: thanks
lotrfan55345: "Just go to Picadilly Square, SoHo and Canary Wharf. I'm sure you will be cured after your experience." actually I work in Canary Wharf (for one of those evil banks!).
NeoPeasant: Yes I've read "affluenza" and I recognised myself in it. Part of my
problem is that I have really bought into the idea that looking "nice" is very important for my self-esteem and that looking nice = "buying new things to enhance my appearance". I know the answer is to stop, think, and ask why I want to go
shopping. The "would you go without dinner for this" is a good one. I will remember this next time I feel tempted.
"magine yourself living simply and working half as many hours per week as you do now, or retiring 10 years earlier than you had planned." ah yes that would be... nice. mmmm all that free time. THe rat race is starting to get to me, all those 50-hour weeks... not including lunch (it's to pay off my mortgage, my choice,
I'm not being exploited).
Spacious Dreamer: yes I do work out a lot and you're right, it's the best "natural feelgood" thing out there. That and a good night's sleep...
TBH I know what to do, posted for encouragement to continue doing it (as in questionning the impulse to buy, buy buy).... thanks all!
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: trying to ditch the consumer mentality
YMOYL changed my life too. Gave me a more solid perspective around which to focus my "Auntie Consumerism" . I liked it so much I bought ten copies to give to various friends/family. (that was a major burst of consumerism, for me! ). I recommend it to everyone. Even if you're already living pretty simply, the insights into attitudes and perspectives about money are well worth reading.
Postscript to YMOYL -- even though I didn't follow all the steps, in the past year I have made the following changes: quit a fulltime $60k-a-year job, spent a year doing home improvement projects which are about to come to fruition as my house is in escrow selling for 150% of what it would have sold for a year ago, now I've taken a 5-hour-a-week, $3000-a-year job, which I expect to meet nearly half my monetary needs into the indefinite future. As soon as I make one more credit card payment (money's in the bank, just waiting for the bill to arrive) I will be entirely debt free. And that's BEFORE the house sells.
Back to Auntie Consumerism -- What works well for me is to develop a "striving" for minimalism, that is comparable to the "striving" a typical consumer might have for STUFF. So, when I'm tempted to buy some gadget, I balance my desire for that gadget with my desire to keep my personal belongings spartan. I often find that I want the simplicity even more than I want the thing, which makes it easy to resist acquiring more and more. _________________ "It's not that hard times are coming, it's that soft times are going."
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: trying to ditch the consumer mentality
"Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity! I say, let your affairs be as two or three, and not a hundred or a thousand instead of a million count half a dozen, and keep your accounts on your thumb-nail."
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:31 am Post subject: Re: trying to ditch the consumer mentality
I'm a natural Spartan, I guess. My mother used to despair because I never wanted to buy clothes (how many girls are like that?). My natural attitude towards buying anything has always been: "But, do I really need this?"
This doesn't stop me from being a window-shopper. I work in a mall, too, and I love having the chance to look at all those gorgeous things. But I seldom want to have them. Most of them I feel are pretty to look at, but totally useless in practice. So I feel they are much better there in the shop windows, where I can look at them but they use up no space in my home!
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