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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:41 pm    Post subject: Re: National ID for Livestock Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

holmes wrote:
Yes the sheeple. The sheep need to be culled. I will have no remorse in exterminating these spineless drones. It does seem they are getting more agressive now in the face of depletion of all types. There little insulated theory world is gbeginning to crumble. worthless biomass.
This is just the beginning of the last rape and resource grab. The dumb Fark who talk all their theoretical hogwash need to be lined up and executed as well. they are the ones promoting this jihad behavior as well. Very pathetic. these are the "patriots". man PMS this is playing out just like the facsists handbook. and the so called "free man" is just a little worthless puke yes man.Man TV and radio worked perfectly.
Man we have some great Free noble Warriors in this country. Wink I look upon my leaders and fellow man as a freshley shat stool. But there are warriors left. Hiding out. waiting.


Fear not Mr.Holmes Chipping cattle has been around for quite some time now. I myself am making the slow transition from current job to ranching. Cattle are very expensive and they wander off or get zapped by coyotes. Think of it like a lo-jack on a $1000 investment. But playing devil's advocate and suppose the goverment announces all natural resources come under the govement control. Their is no way the goverment could blitzkrieg every ranch and secure every cow with in 6 hours. Just look at how johnnie on the spot the goverment is on The War on Drugs or when they take a census, they would trip over their own bureacracy. I could tell you that within 4-6 hours they would follow the chips and find my entire herd inside a overnight return slot at Blockbuster video.

Also besides mooing, eating, and crapping cows like to breed well....Like cattle. Within 6 months the cattle population in the United States would look completely different. The Male to female ratio is 1 bull for 20-30 hefers.

On the subject of freethinking individuals vs Sheeple, next to Bikers- Cattlemen in general tough minded outspoken individualists and they love guns. Picking a fight with a rancher and his herd would be on par with screwing a biker's Harley. If TSHF and UN troops march on our soil this would be Bosnia on a larger scale.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: National ID for Livestock Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I feel better now a little mate. I am just overly defensive as are all my rancher and tiller friends. we get dissed by the western part of the state. I work in the west unfortunately but exist in the east. I dig the small ranch and ag towns. we get raped by the elites over on the west. they dictate how we are supposed to do everything. now Let me tell u I am ecologically minded and young and I do talk to the older hands and get them thinkin more along ecologically sustainable farming practices. and if u come outmy way Ill show u sustainablity and a high quality way of life.
I am also worried about the GMO seeds coming over and ruining my and others rich diverse seed stock we have. I have fava and soy beans and tomatoe seeds that are ancient I suppose. The tomatoes came over form calabria Italy and kiev ukraine. The soy and favas I have are pure old strains. My rice is also a brown/batsmati hybrid. These ae my life. I do not need no land grabbing gubmint run by sheeple coming over and telling me how to run things.
we do get treated like low rent citizens by those elites. and we over here feed the creeps. its bizzare. Im looking at those cattle u speak of. Ill get back to you on them. They sound good. Im leaning towrds Ostriches. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: National ID for Livestock Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Holmes, what country are residing? I'll tone down my american slang.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: National ID for Livestock Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

No dont. Oregon, USA.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: National ID for Livestock Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Sorry, when you talk about italian tomatos and seeds from the Ukraine it throws me off. Never been to Oregon but I am obviously jealous of its well known white water paddling, PCT, and sea kayaking compared to North Central Texas.

We too have elites in Dallas only most of them are as we say "Big hat-No Cattle".

Listen if the world goes to the toilet and you become a mad max nomad, Swing by Oklahoma and I'll horse trade a unchipped calf for seeds. I should warn you that cattle produce a different kind of "Chip" and if you are not careful you can soil a good pair of boots by stepping ankle deep in the "Mark of the Beast".
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Keep a chicken (or a horse), go to jail.... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

MacG wrote:
Dont worry though, all of it will come crushing down by it's own weight in due time. In the mean time, meat rabbits seem to be excluded.


Unfortunately: Rabbit Starvation

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Beaver was highly prized, especially the tail because it was rich in fat. But small animals like rabbit and squirrel were eaten only when nothing else was available because, according to Stefansson, they were so low in fat. In fact, small animals called for special preparation. The meat was removed from the bones, roasted and pounded. The bones were dried and ground into a powder. Then the bones were mixed with the meat and any available grease, a procedure that would greatly lower the percentage of polyunsaturated fatty acids, while raising the total content of saturated fat.12 When a scarcity of game forced the Indians to consume only small animals like rabbits, they suffered from "rabbit starvation."
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: National ID for Livestock Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I will take u up on that offer and thanks. Good to have u here on this planet. No Oregon sucks. Rolling Eyes . Eden is being flushed by them californicators and there filthy nasty seeds and vices. They come up here to "get away" from the death they have created and just keep dragging along with them. Parasitic and canibalistic. its not just the californicators though its just greedy low IQs and greed in general. too bad. The only places left are the stagnant communities. There are a string of them connected but i will not name names. Eventually there will be strife. Its not if just when. When u consume yourself and your environment thats what happens. You go looking for more. a plague. Portland is spreading out big.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:12 pm    Post subject: What you need to know about the National Animal ID system... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I originally read this at lifeaftertheoilcrash.net. Has anyone else been following this? I don't like the thought that anyone who wants to have animals on their farm has to be part of this or risk going to jail.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlasBabylon/message/23397

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1. What is the NAIS?

A scheme hatched by the federal government and
corporate agribusiness to tag every animal in the
US with an identity number and to track every
animal through processing. The excuse for it is the
discovery of two cases of mad cow disease.

2. What does it require?

It requires every farm in the country to register as
a "premises." Each registered premises will then
have to register & tag every alpaca, bison, cow,
emu, goat, horse, llama, sheep, swine, and all
poultry. (As far as we know right now, catfish and
goldfish are exempted.) It provides no exemptions.
If you have as much as one chicken, you must
register.

7. Who will bear the burden of NAIS?

Small farmers, and especially those engaged in
the New Agriculture ("permaculture" or
"sustainable agriculture"). First, they will be
forced to pay for NAIS, at least in part. Second,
they will be forced to work for NAIS. In the
words of the NAIS Draft Strategic Plan, page 14,
paragraph 3, "All groups will need to provide
labour." NAIS will add yet another cost
disadvantage to small farmers and the New
Agriculture, and will make local agriculture less
competitive with agribusiness.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Re: What you need to know about the National Animal ID syste Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The deadline for registering your "premises" in Wisconsin was January 1st of this year (2006), even if you only have one pet chicken.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: What you need to know about the National Animal ID syste Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The next step is they do it to people.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: What you need to know about the National Animal ID syste Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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A scheme hatched by the federal government and corporate agribusiness...

I love the loaded language used by these guys. "A scheme hatched..." Makes me think of a small bald man in a darkened room cackling and rubbing his hands together.

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7. Who will bear the burden of NAIS?

Small farmers, and especially those engaged in
the New Agriculture ("permaculture" or
"sustainable agriculture"). First, they will be
forced to pay for NAIS, at least in part. Second,
they will be forced to work for NAIS...

I couldn't find much on this issue from mainstream news, and nothing from AP. I don't think it's much of an issue. What I did find suggests that registration is free, and that federal compulsion won't go into effect until 2008.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Re: What you need to know about the National Animal ID syste Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Adds new meaning to the old joke...


Why did the chicken cross the road?


Because it didn't want to be tagged.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Re: What you need to know about the National Animal ID syste Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

coyote wrote:
I don't think it's much of an issue.

You don't think being forced to have your chickens implanted with microchips is much of an issue? Shocked Have you thought this through?

Edit: Has anyone on here had to deal with this personally yet? What did you do?

Edit 2: Here's the "official" site about the NAIS:

http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/index.shtml


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: What you need to know about the National Animal ID syste Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well I feel a little better now:
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Q. If a Person Raises Animals for His or Her Own Use and the Animals Never Leave the Owner's Property, Do They Need to be Identified?
A. Under the current plan, animals that never leave a premises do not need to be identified. However, animal owners are encouraged to identify their animals and their premises, regardless of the number of animals present, since many animal diseases may be spread whether an animal leaves its home premises or not. Examples of such diseases include West Nile virus, foot-and-mouth disease, vesicular stomatitus, and equine infectious anemia.

from http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/newsroom/factsheets/nais_qa_factsheet.shtml

I like how they used capitalization in the question. Real professional there.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: What you need to know about the National Animal ID syste Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Shannymara wrote:
You don't think being forced to have your chickens implanted with microchips is much of an issue?

No, not really, no more than vehicle or gun registration, or census taking. Something to keep an eye on, but that's about it. Avian flu and mad cow disease... now those are some issues.
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