I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
My guess is: a combination of both. The GOP has doubtless been working for months, if not years, to screw up the balloting in Florida again (you think they'd find a state with a Guv who ISN'T Dubya's brother; but FL has a long political corruption history. Read up on the 1876 election sometime! 2000 was just deja vu....).
On the other hand, the 4-hurricane wallop the state suffered in August and September did much harm that NOBODY could've planned: polling places destroyed, people displaced and they don't know where to send the absentee ballots or find the people to tell them where their new polling place is, LEGITIMATE trouble processing the record new voter registrations in time, etc.
On the OTHER other hand, all these disaster-caused disasters give the GOP a super-wide berth for committing more mischief, and then blaming it on the hurricanes. (Not even hurricanes deserve that kind of treatment! )
This poll really needs a GOP/hurricane combo option
My guess is: a combination of both.
The GOP has doubtless been working for months, if not years, to screw up the balloting in Florida again (you think they'd find a state with a Guv who ISN'T Dubya's brother; but FL has a long political corruption history. Read up on the 1876 election sometime! 2000 was just deja vu....).
On the other hand, the 4-hurricane wallop the state suffered in August and September did much harm that NOBODY could've planned: polling places destroyed, people displaced and they don't know where to send the absentee ballots or find the people to tell them where their new polling place is, LEGITIMATE trouble processing the record new voter registrations in time, etc.
On the OTHER other hand, all these disaster-caused disasters give the GOP a super-wide berth for committing more mischief, and then blaming it on the hurricanes. (Not even hurricanes deserve that kind of treatment! )This poll really needs a GOP/hurricane combo option
We won Fl fair n square last year, we'll do it again this year.
Repubs, unlike Democraps, dont have to register dead people and cheat on absentee ballots to win. You DO know the Democrap motto right? "Vote early and vote often....."
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:20 pm Post subject: Growing edible plants in South Florida/Tropical climate
I live in south florida, we get a lot of rain, have a lot of sun, and have warm winters. I was wondering if anyone here knows what might be best to grow in this situation.
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:28 pm Post subject:
Any plant that does well in the warmth and heavy rainfall will do fine. The highest yield grain crop for that region should be rice. Rice paddies require alot of water. Theres' also alot of tropical fruits that are suited for that climate, but there is alot of information out there on the net. Also check your library, they should have a collection of books on edible plants. _________________ my page:
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Rice is a good idea--especially since the area's now well into a heavy-hurricane (and other storms) cycle! Rain should be a given. (And I sure hope it takes the pressure off the poor Everglades, an ecosystem that needs all the help it can get!)
Of course, citrus fruits (oranges, tangerines, grapefruits, limes, lemons) have always been grown in Florida, and will continue to be so. Thank goodness old-time shipping can be renewed after the crash (all you need are sails and masts!): states all around the Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic Ocean coastline can continue to trade in those, which are really needed for good health!
Pecan and coconut trees are viable in Florida's climate--those nuts make good eating! Peanuts, of course, and melons. (Also fish in the sea--if we haven't fished them all out!)
Florida would be in an enviable position, save for 2 things:
1. It will grow hotter and more tropical. That means more tropical bugs, and the diseases they bring with them. Florida stayed sparsely populated until the 1920s-30s in part because nobody wanted to put up with skeeters or malaria!
2. Sea level rise is going to put a lot of Florida underwater before this century is out. Even where you can keep land, the sea waters will infiltrate the ground waters, salinating them. Brackish water is lousy for both farming AND drinking!
South Florida, huh? Bad post-peak settlement site. Try northern Florida, away from the coasts and near the Georgia and Alabama borders. You CAN farm there, and you're more likely to be near a source of fresh water, cuz you'll be farther away from the salty stuff. I question central Florida, though woody and watery--it might get TOO watery, and the land would sink under.
I know something of what I'm saying--I was raised in Florida. Wonderful place--between summer hot and summer/fall hurricanes! Good luck with your sustainable farming plans!
2. Sea level rise is going to put a lot of Florida underwater before this century is out. Even where you can keep land, the sea waters will infiltrate the ground waters, salinating them. Brackish water is lousy for both farming AND drinking!
I can agree with the drinking part, but for some farming salt and water can do no harm. It depends on what you are farming. link
Joined: Feb 19, 2005 Posts: 92 Location: S Florida
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:05 am Post subject: South Florida Update, Day Two and Three after Katrina
On day Two I wanted to get up and out and take more pictures, but I was trapped by the lure of the all day nap. Towards evening I talked the wife into running out to Publix, while I "watched the apartment". She brought back snackies and news of the world. THe shelves in the local Publix were fully stocked and lines were short.
On day three I hit the road running bright and early in the afternoon, drawn out by the promise of steak and sausages at Andy's
In south Florida when you build a house you fill the land by six feet or more. When you fill one section, it decreases the land available for water infiltration, and causes adittional flooding in older lower areas.
This is a field of malanga, I think it was already harvested, but do not know if it regrows a new crop after the initial harvest, or if it is water resistant.
This is a subdivision of Mcmansions built out towards the rural area on a field that was in agricultural production last year. After the hurricane there was water coming in the doors of the houses. By the third day it had receded significantly.
This is one of the downed power lines that impeded our travels home on the night of the hurricane.
Joined: Feb 19, 2005 Posts: 92 Location: S Florida
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:22 am Post subject: Re: South Florida Update, Day Two and Three after Katrina
An insect resistant tropical root crop suitable for planting in South Florida in the summer time. Summer is the off season for farming for us due to heat, bugs, and the ocasional hurricane.
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Good luck with your sustainable farming plans!
