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Aaron
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 Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:20 pm Post subject: Houston Texas |
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Placeholder for Houston Texas Peak Oil discussion
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Aaron
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Houston Texas |
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| Quote: | The title of the post should be gasoline price gouging--not oil price. Strictly speaking, reducing the number of refineries would cause oil prices to go down, not up.
Given the cost and complexity of environmental litigation in this country, companies think long and hard about building new refineries. The logical extension of that is that companies think long and hard about keeping refineries open, especially in areas like California. Having said that, are oil companies interested in maximizing profits? News bulletin: yes.
It's also probable that oil companies know that we are at or nearing Peak Oil, and they are reducing refinery operations in tandem with the expected decline in crude oil production.
However, this is a global market, and refineries don't have to be built in the U.S. If there is a perceived profit potential, the markets will respond
In any case, in my opinion, we need higher gasoline prices and we need them now. There is no way that the suburbs are going to survive the post-Peak Oil age, and any efforts to keep gasoline prices low only offer false hope to suburban dwellers. In my opinion, we need a much higher gasoline tax. And again, the best response to higher gasoline prices is to rearrange your life so that you minimize--or eliminate--your direct use of gasoline. |
I agree... gas should be much more expensive to reflect it's actual value & environmental costs.
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rogerhb
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Houston Texas |
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Someone has to say it:
Houston, we've got a problem.
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Pops
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Houston Texas |
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I've oten wondered why refining hasn't been 'offshored' due to labor/land cost and EPA reg's like everything else.
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rogerhb
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Houston Texas |
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| Pops wrote: | | I've oten wondered why refining hasn't been 'offshored' due to labor/land cost and EPA reg's like everything else. |
I would reckon that trying to import fuel of 50 differing standards would have been a logistical nightmare.
In NZ all Petrol Stations get deliveries from the same bowsers no matter what the "badge". |
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Aaron
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Houston Texas |
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Ok Houstonians...
http://houston.peakoil.com
Please join and get in touch with your fellow Houston peakers.
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Aaron
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Houston Texas |
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Houston TX-DOT traffic Cams
Real-time traffic cams
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PrairieMule
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Houston Texas |
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As someone born and raised in Houston, but transplanted to Dallas. I have to say, HOW ABOUT THOSE HOUSTON ASTROS!!!!
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Aaron
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Houston Texas |
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Back Online!
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nth
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Houston Texas |
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Closing down refineries don't necessarily equal lower price crude oil as quoted in WTI. If those refineries are designed for heavy crude, then WTI quality oil will not be freed up, instead you see a widening of the differentials.
Which we are exactly seeing it post-Katrina. |
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pup55
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Houston Texas |
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Hey, I forgot to tell you I went jogging around the Exxon Mobil HQ the other day. Interestingly, the place is accessible by mass transit (bus).
Also, there are some apartment buildings in walking distance, although I must say it did not look like too many of the executives were walking around the neighborhood.
There is no apparent evidence of PO from the outside. Don't know about the inside. |
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TommyJefferson
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| Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:06 am Post subject: Re: Houston Texas |
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| pup55 wrote: | | Hey, I forgot to tell you I went jogging around the Exxon Mobil HQ the other day. Interestingly, the place is accessible by mass transit (bus). Also, there are some apartment buildings in walking distance |
You'd have to be an Exxon/Mobil executive to afford the rent on those places. I would love to walk to work. Problem is, walkable communities are only for the super-rich.
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