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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:43 pm    Post subject: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight 10/27/05 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Bill O'Reilly annoys me. One of the things that really annoys me is how he has been on a crusade against the oil companies for gouging. He doesn't understand that this is how the free market works! He dismissed the concept that the price of oil and gasoline is set by futures traders on mercantile exchanges as "ridiculous", even though that's exactly how it works!

Tonight, in the Factor Follow Up segment, he will discuss the record profits made by the oil companies. His guest will be Dr. Dean Baker, from the Center for Economic and Policy Research. Even though I don't like O'Reilly, I will watch the segment so I can laugh at what he says!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Even though I don't like O'Reilly, I will watch the segment so I can laugh at what he says!


I believe that is EXACTLY what Fox News keeps him on for...

"Playa Hate-a" ratings.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I listen to the talk show guys all day- especially the righties so I can know how they think. I don't know why O Reilly doesn't see it except that he's on a tirade for the "common man"- one of his usual annoying faux campaigns against evil in our midst.

Today was interesting because someone called in to progressive Ed Shulz' show and spoke for about two minutes about Peak Oil. Shulz replied back, but I thought this problem had to do with a lack of refining capacity. The caller tried to educate him but it sounded like Shulz didn't get it or was getting bored and ended the call without comment.

I love listening to these guys because they seem to carry the emotional tenor of America. If they get switched on to something like Peak Oil, the whole nation will be talking about it. So far, no one's biting, not even righties trying to refute it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:09 pm    Post subject: Only if he will be arrested Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

In TV, ratings are everything. So ignore them, and they WILL go away.
O'Lielly, like many others on FauxNews, is the on-air equivalent of a troll. No matter what you do -do not engage.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

thuja wrote:
Today was interesting because someone called in to progressive Ed Shulz' show and spoke for about two minutes about Peak Oil. Shulz replied back, but I thought this problem had to do with a lack of refining capacity. The caller tried to educate him but it sounded like Shulz didn't get it or was getting bored and ended the call without comment.


Shultz is a bit of a populist. Callers talk about energy regularly on his show, but in the interest of fairness, he tries to pack as many callers into his program as he can. So he rarely goes into any depth. However, Shultz does bow down to the ethanol industry, and the beet farmers in his area of Fargo. He is a huge, but somewhat misguided, advocate of ethanol.

The hosts on Air America Radio are much more tuned to Peak Oil, Thom Hartmann wrote a book on it, Mike Malloy is all over it, on down the list. About the only ones that really complain about gouging are RFK Jr and Mike Papantonio, but they are muckrakers in the classic sense. They hit at both sides of the equation, peak oil and uncontrolled corporatism.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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They hit at both sides of the equation, peak oil and uncontrolled corporatism.


And that's what needs to be done.

Peak oil, real it is, is also manufactured as a means to maximize profits for the oil industry.

Switch to a significant alternatives before peak hits, the crisis will be less severe and prices won't be as high. The oil industry has fought many tooth and nail, so much so that some of those viable and cost competitive today have been supressed and have remained on the fringe of adoption, despite being cheaper than using the oil equivalent.

Also account for the fact that just because the oil is less abundant doesn't necessarily make the price to extract and refine more expensive in proportion, and you could argue that the 'free market' system as we know it today is by definition a form of price gouging. Some might call it 'supply and demand', but when the demand is kept intentional by efforts to stall and discourage the adoption of compettive alternatives to a commodity that is required for society to function at the level it does today, the normal rules of supply and demand cannot hope to adequately explain the situation.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Bill O'Reillyis the definition of pseudointellectual.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

is air america on xm sattelite ? if not, does anyone know a good talk radio show on xm ? and the time ?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

its on channel 167 "America Left" or Air America Radio Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

WebHubbleTelescope wrote:
thuja wrote:
Today was interesting because someone called in to progressive Ed Shulz' show and spoke for about two minutes about Peak Oil. Shulz replied back, but I thought this problem had to do with a lack of refining capacity. The caller tried to educate him but it sounded like Shulz didn't get it or was getting bored and ended the call without comment.


he tries to pack as many callers into his program as he can. So he rarely goes into any depth. However, Shultz does bow down to the ethanol industry, and the beet farmers in his area of Fargo. He is a huge, but somewhat misguided, advocate of ethanol.


I think Schults is a putz. I've heard people on his show trying to educate him so many times it makes me nuts, but he won't pick up a line on anything that doesn't lead to a fight with a "rightie". He's the same level of "divider not a uniter" as Bush turned out to be.

No wonder neither party can address any real issues with any success.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I used to find O'Reilly refreshing. In past years, I considered him to be a voice of reason in many topics. He has become less reasonable of late and his blatant intellectual dishonesty about the mechanics of the oil markets has convinced me to spend time doing other things than tuning him in.

But, it is obvious that his point of view is what people want to hear. That is no surprise, but it still concerns me.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Interesting that he's blaming Big Oil. I would expect a rightwing nut like him to be blaming tree-hugging environmentalists...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ed Shultz may be a populist middle of the road idiot, but he has clout with the congressional democrats, including Hillary Clinton and Harry Reid. They flock to him because they think they can rope in some independents and midwesterners to vote for them.

I personally love listening to Limbaugh, Medved and Snow because I can get inside the mind of a conservative and know what their bullet points will be when I talk to them. I also love to see how they twist and spin through one of the worst times for republicans. It was so much easier being in the minority for these guys. Now they're forced to back-up an entirely crippled Bush presidency.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm as conservative as anybody, but Oriellys views on the oil industry don't do justice to the term ignorant.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: Watch the O'Reilly Factor tonight Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

While capitalism has its faults to be certain, our problem here in the US is much more basic. We are economic illiterates, and we don't even understand the system we have.
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