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deMolay
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:17 am    Post subject: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

$30B project: 4,000 jobs
Canadian Natural's production of 800,000 barrels a day by 2017 would almost equal the current output of Argentina, Oman and Egypt

Gordon Jaremko and Scott Haggett
The Edmonton Journal; Calgary Herald


Thursday, November 03, 2005


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CREDIT: Herald Archive, Associated Press
A Reuters poll of 18 experts showed an average oil output growth forecast of 5.6 per cent to 484 million tonnes or 9.72 million barrels per day in 2005, down from nine per cent growth in 2004 and record 11 per cent growth in 2003.






EDMONTON - Canadian Natural Resources Ltd. has embarked on the largest construction project in Canadian history.

It said Wednesday it will boost its oilsands spending to close to $30 billion over the next 15 years, part of the Calgary-based firm's plan to become the biggest player in the world's biggest oil play.

Less than a year after going ahead with the $10.8-billion Horizon oilsands project, Canadian Natural detailed plans to double the size of the oilsands mine and on-site upgrading refinery.

It also has plans for a new upgrader for its thermal heavy oil projects south of Fort McMurray and near Cold Lake, and will spend around $4.8 billion to increase production by 240,000 barrels per day (bbl./day) from those projects.

It's the most ambitious slate of projects ever detailed by a Canadian public company. Combined with its existing Horizon plans, the early estimate of $30 billion for Canadian Natural's combined oilsands spending would be the largest construction project in Canadian history, dwarfing the $23 billion Hydro-Quebec spent on its James Bay hydroelectric project and the $20 billion US Alaska Highway natural gas pipeline.

"These are gargantuan numbers," said Martin Molyneaux, an analyst at FirstEnergy Capital Corp. in Calgary.

"It's hard to put it in perspective. Here's a company with a $30-billion market capitalization coming out and saying here's our plans. Then you add it up and it's pretty massive."

By 2017, Canadian Natural's total oilsands production target of nearly 800,000 barrels a day would almost equal the current output of Argentina, Oman and Egypt.

The company aims to become as big a player on the world market as "a small country," Canadian Natural president Steve Laut said in an interview.

The expansion projects will employ an average of 3,500 to 4,000 construction workers for 12 years. Another army of skilled tradespeople will be recruited to build the new upgrader plant in the Cold Lake region to convert discount-priced bitumen into premium, refinery-ready light crude. Horizon's cost figures are forecasts and could rise if oil prices stay above $50 US a barrel. High prices would accelerate industry activity and heat up competition for workers and materials, Laut said.

The plans announced Wednesday include:

w Speeding up the Horizon project: With construction just underway at Horizon and phase one (which will produce 110,000 bbl./day) on schedule to be complete by 2008, Canadian Natural will combine phases two and three. That will push output to 232,000 bbl./day by 2011, a year earlier than first planned.

w Adding two new phases to Horizon: After 2011, the company will start work on phases four and five. The new mining projects and associated upgrading refineries will add another 265,000 bbl./day from the site north of Fort McMurray and push total output of synthetic crude oil from Horizon to 497,000 bbl./day.

w Building a new upgrader for its thermal oilsands projects: The company is beginning engineering studies for an upgrader near its Primrose project near Cold Lake, where steam is pumped down wells to produce tar-like bitumen. Initial plans call for an upgrader built in two phases. The first, to be complete by 2012, would produce 125,000 barrels of synthetic crude a day. A second stage, finished three years later, would boost output to 175,000 bpd.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

"$30B project: 4,000 jobs ..."

!!! We can't get warm bodies now to fill thousands of jobs.

A young kid out of high school can rearn 60 thousand, get a daily living allowance, etc. to work in the fields, seismic, etc. If they want, many can work 7 days a week and earn over a hundred thousand...save most of his living allowance and...get a decent nest egg. The work is already there.

Our friends' son went out to work at Zama Lake and saved up enough in 18 months to buy a modest house in Calgary. He's only 22 and didn't have 2 cents when he went out. Then again, he worked like hell and talked our ear off with stories of life in the wilderness when he was back in Calgary.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:33 am    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

fossilnut2 wrote:
"$30B project: 4,000 jobs ..."

!!! We can't get warm bodies now to fill thousands of jobs.

A young kid out of high school can rearn 60 thousand, get a daily living allowance, etc. to work in the fields, seismic, etc. If they want, many can work 7 days a week and earn over a hundred thousand...save most of his living allowance and...get a decent nest egg. The work is already there.

Our friends' son went out to work at Zama Lake and saved up enough in 18 months to buy a modest house in Calgary. He's only 22 and didn't have 2 cents when he went out. Then again, he worked like hell and talked our ear off with stories of life in the wilderness when he was back in Calgary.


Are Americans welcome to come up there and work the sands? Hard to imagine $60,000 low-skill jobs going begging... Shock
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What a bunch of hooey and nonsence. The entire project is built on cheap liquid petroleum. When that runs out so does this insanity, leaving a bunch of rusting monsters-trucks in the melting tundra. Industrial man's last gasp is emphasymatic. Mad
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Byron100 wrote:
fossilnut2 wrote:
"$30B project: 4,000 jobs ..."

!!! We can't get warm bodies now to fill thousands of jobs.

A young kid out of high school can rearn 60 thousand, get a daily living allowance, etc. to work in the fields, seismic, etc. If they want, many can work 7 days a week and earn over a hundred thousand...save most of his living allowance and...get a decent nest egg. The work is already there.

Our friends' son went out to work at Zama Lake and saved up enough in 18 months to buy a modest house in Calgary. He's only 22 and didn't have 2 cents when he went out. Then again, he worked like hell and talked our ear off with stories of life in the wilderness when he was back in Calgary.


Are Americans welcome to come up there and work the sands? Hard to imagine $60,000 low-skill jobs going begging... Shock


There's lots of Americans working in the oilpatch. As foreigners they have to apply through immigration, etc for work visas.

just a note: the tarsands are just one of several opportunities. The tarsands are centerd around Fort McMurray but if someone wants more of a wilderness experience then there's work camps throughout northern Alberta doing all types of things such as drilling, seismic surveys, pipeline surveys, etc. It helps if you're not a 'partier' but bit of a loner and enjoy outdoor activities like fishing and hunting or just hiking around. The work is often HARD and demanding. I worked exploration lines for a couple of years and it wasn't a lot different in physical demand than when I went through boot camp in the military. The difference, however, is you look forward to going south at first but then after a while you look forward to going back. My wife and I still go up north for a month or so in the summer and just hike, fish, and look for rocks and so on.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:33 am    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

deMolay wrote:
Canadian Natural's production of 800,000 barrels a day by 2017 would almost equal the current output of Argentina, Oman and Egypt


About the same as ANWR might produce at the same time.

It would run the USA for 38 minutes each day in 2017. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:41 pm    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It would be fantastic if Americans came here to work. Especially skilled trades. If you have experience they will pay big. They need Millwrights, welders, pipefitters, heavy duty mechanics, iron workers, electricians, instrument tech's. etc. An experienced tradesman will earn 150,000 plus a year. To those who don't like the oil sands too bad. The technology is emerging here in Alberta and the new plants will not consume Natural Gas at all, they will produce synthetic gas from the crude which will save Natural Gas and lower production costs. As to the Oil sands in volume of proven oil reserve it is 2nd only to Saudi Arabia in volume and size. The CNRL project is just one development. It could be the ticket to make a soft landing and transition for Canada and the USA. Hopefully.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

MonteQuest wrote:
deMolay wrote:
Canadian Natural's production of 800,000 barrels a day by 2017 would almost equal the current output of Argentina, Oman and Egypt


About the same as ANWR might produce at the same time.

It would run the USA for 38 minutes each day in 2017. Rolling Eyes


Yup. 800,000 a day is still pretty much a drop in the bucket.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That's far from an isolated drop in the bucket. Buckets are filled with drops. The world is 6 billion people so almost anything is a drop in the bucket...including the town or country you live in (unless it's China or India).
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

800,000bpd is like a supergiant oil field, and it won't decline for many many years.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I kinda thought 800,000 bpd was very big news considering it is only the production of one company. This play is 30b this will bring the total of all investments by all companies to over 100b. When they are all up at full production Alberta will be second only to Saudi I believe in supplying the USA with oil, that doesn't include Natural gas or electricity. If you include those forms of energy we exceed even the Saudi's in supplying energy to the USA.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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the early estimate of $30 billion for Canadian Natural's combined oilsands spending would be the largest construction project in Canadian history, dwarfing the $23 billion Hydro-Quebec spent on its James Bay hydroelectric project and the $20 billion US Alaska Highway natural gas pipeline.

"These are gargantuan numbers," said Martin Molyneaux, an analyst at FirstEnergy Capital Corp. in Calgary.

"It's hard to put it in perspective. Here's a company with a $30-billion market capitalization coming out and saying here's our plans. Then you add it up and it's pretty massive."


I thought the point was making money, not spending it.
I understand it is an investment - but would it not be nice if they also said when they expected to get it back?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hey guys,

I was wondering if I could get some information on possible summer work in Canada. Im currently a student living in Washington State, have a wife, and need to pay the bills. I dont have any major skills, but have been doing labor for a construction company.

Any links or straight forward information would be great.

thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: More Oil Sands Capacity Announced Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

fossilnut2 wrote:
"$30B project: 4,000 jobs ..."

!!! We can't get warm bodies now to fill thousands of jobs.

A young kid out of high school can rearn 60 thousand, get a daily living allowance, etc. to work in the fields, seismic, etc. If they want, many can work 7 days a week and earn over a hundred thousand...save most of his living allowance and...get a decent nest egg. The work is already there.

Our friends' son went out to work at Zama Lake and saved up enough in 18 months to buy a modest house in Calgary. He's only 22 and didn't have 2 cents when he went out. Then again, he worked like hell and talked our ear off with stories of life in the wilderness when he was back in Calgary.


What a load of b.s. No one ever says what the cost of living is up there, you have to have that kind of money just to live there. Plus I wish I would stop hearing these stories of the companies "crying" for workers. You have to be a. either already qualified, or b. have the slim chance of making it through their co-op programs. Therefore they must not be hurting for workers bad enough, so stop spreading the we need "warm bodies" lies.

Unless someone can prove me wrong by showing me that there is a definite means to get one of these "100's" of thousands openings (which no ever has yet), I will stick to seeing the truth.
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