Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Sweden to get rid of oil by 2020?
themotie wrote:
Actually it's not nearly that bad. Apparently you (or rather we, in Sweden ) could supply about a third of our liquid fuels need from by-products from our forest industry (lots of forest, remember).
It's the last sentence that cause some problems - Sweden is pretty extreme when it comes to trees/person, along with Finland, Canada, maybe Russia and a couple of similar countries. What about the rest of the world? What should they use?
But I agree on your slight tendency to scepticism against doomerosity. Kunstler seem to have been a Y2K-doomer in 1999, and I belive some of the crowd here was involved also.
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Sweden to get rid of oil by 2020?
MacG wrote:
themotie wrote:
Actually it's not nearly that bad. Apparently you (or rather we, in Sweden ) could supply about a third of our liquid fuels need from by-products from our forest industry (lots of forest, remember).
It's the last sentence that cause some problems - Sweden is pretty extreme when it comes to trees/person, along with Finland, Canada, maybe Russia and a couple of similar countries. What about the rest of the world? What should they use?
Yeah, forest by-products is not for everyone, so to speak (hi MacG!). But isn't decentralization the name of the game? Let everyone do what they can. There isn't a magic formula theat works for everyone. But I DO believe that we here in Sweden are in a rather good position, both regarding trees per person and (lack of) fossil fuel dependencies when it comes to power generation. _________________ "The so-called 'electromagnetic theory of light' has not helped us hitherto... it seems to me that it is a rather backwards step."
- Lord Kelvin
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Sweden to get rid of oil by 2020?
[quote="Tuike"]Swedish minister Mona Sahlin writes in Dagens Nyheter newspaper, that Sweden is going to stop using oil completely by the year 2020 as the first country in the world. Sahlin says they are going to accomplish this by tax discounts, energy effiency and by investing in renewable energies and research. Sahlin says that their goal is that nobody drives gasoline based car and nobody has oil heated home by 2020.
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Ships need some fuel though.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:17 am Post subject: Re: Sweden to get rid of oil by 2020?
LGW wrote:
I remember seeing a number on that the E85 sold at Swedish gas stations has cost 13% worth of fossil fuels to produce (and transport) - the entire chain, relative to the energy contained in the E85.
Half-hearted? Yes! But clearly a step in the right direction.
alcohol, when you figure in all the steps, takes quite a bit of oil to manufacture., fromcorn/ground depletion to farming and shipping and fertilizers, you use quite a bit of oil power to make the ethanol.
But the jury is still out on wether this is true or not:
I think that a lot of these costs are hidden, if you hold the gasoline to the same standards, we find alcohol is more energy efficient.
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) could supply about a third of our liquid fuels need from by-products from our forest industry (lots of forest, remember).
