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Tim7332 Coal


Joined: Nov 26, 2005 Posts: 8
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:31 pm Post subject: American Hegemony |
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If American hegemony depends on the control of the final peak oil countries(iraq, saudi arabia etc).
What economic happenings will take place when the rest of the world has to come to us for oil for 50 or so years before its all gone? Will we be able to provent major powers from colliding over the oil and in so starting a world war 3? I think America should almost take it as her duty to control the last peak oil countries, otherwise more dangerous nations will grow strength from it.
Futhermore, how can we prepare for the switch from an oil ecnonomy to a hydrogen one. Knowing that we will lose this powerful bargainaning tool once the rest of the world can get energy elsewhere?
How can we trickle out oil just enough to satisfy world growth but not let China gorge herself on oil, resulting in more ambitious foreign policy at the expense of American interests and current American domination of the global economy. |
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Tim7332 Coal


Joined: Nov 26, 2005 Posts: 8
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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| Anybody have any ideas on how we can grow "market share" in the global economy once countries don't need us anymore? It seems like the most America can bring to the global marketplace is "Austin Powers" and "britney spears". Crap you can download on the computer these days in China, if you even want it. |
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azreal60 Moderator

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Joined: Jun 26, 2004 Posts: 1191 Location: Madison,Wisconsin
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:11 am Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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Why do you think we where so pissed we sent all our manufactoring over to other countrys? Why do you think people are worried about peak oil ending globalization. Of all the countrys in the world, the US changed the most to reflect globalization. I would say that gives us the most to lose. _________________ Azreal60
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venky Intermediate Crude

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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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Who is the US to complain about China gorging itself on oil when itself consumes more than three times as much and almost 30 times as much per capita?
Frankly, I would be very uneasy if the the remaining oil producing countries come under US control as would the rest of the world; I certainly would not trust the US to oversee an equitable distribution of oil around the world. I think that would be as good a trigger as any for starting a war over oil resources |
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evilgenius Intermediate Crude


Joined: Dec 06, 2005 Posts: 885 Location: Stopped at the border.
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:00 am Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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Since America abhors socialism it has no national healthcare system and it has no transit infrastructure. Its buildings are energy inefficient because its people like to flaunt their wealth. Its vehicles are too big because its people are confused about safety and like to bully instead of perceive themselves as being bullied. The best thing that America can do to fix this going forward is to somehow introduce the idea into society that keeping up with the Joneses means being the most efficient and cooperative. It wouldn't hurt for Americans to understand that socialism is not communism, but that might be too much to expect.
Without some profound changes at home America won't be able to compete in the world of the future. Its ideas about conservation need to improve so that its capital is not soaked up by waste. |
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RdSnt Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Feb 02, 2005 Posts: 1308 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:28 am Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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The United States is dead. The current problem is that the corpse is so large it's stinking up the whole planet. The US has become irrelevant to the future and those who are planning on continuing into the future are simply going to step over the carcass. _________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
a sensible amount of time, you must lie. |
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hoplite Heavy Crude


Joined: Oct 22, 2004 Posts: 300
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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Would you prefer Chinese hegemony? Because thats the only alternative you know...
Mebbe the CHinese will be benevolent hegemonists? |
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KingM Heavy Crude


Joined: Aug 30, 2005 Posts: 277 Location: Second Vermont Republic
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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| RdSnt wrote: | | The United States is dead. The current problem is that the corpse is so large it's stinking up the whole planet. The US has become irrelevant to the future and those who are planning on continuing into the future are simply going to step over the carcass. |
You shouldn't sound quite so gleeful when you spout this particular bit of nonsense. If the U.S. falls, the falling with crush Canada like a bug. Living as you do northward, does this scenario please you? |
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sameu Intermediate Crude


Joined: Aug 18, 2005 Posts: 532 Location: Belgium, Europe
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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the american domination is coming to an end soon if you ask me
when the dollar falls it will be game over |
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evilgenius Intermediate Crude


Joined: Dec 06, 2005 Posts: 885 Location: Stopped at the border.
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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Dude, the US wants the dollar to fall. They need inflation to rear its ugly head or they will have a problem with the scale of debt they have to carry. There aren't enough years ahead in the crisis to pay off the monies they know they are going to have to borrow. It's a cash flow situation.
What's really going to fall in the US is the middle class. The Middle class hasn't gotten a true raise since the seventies and still they would rather work at WalMart than pay union dues. Suckers, I guess, but poor suffering suckers at that. |
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RdSnt Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Feb 02, 2005 Posts: 1308 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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| KingM wrote: | | RdSnt wrote: | | The United States is dead. The current problem is that the corpse is so large it's stinking up the whole planet. The US has become irrelevant to the future and those who are planning on continuing into the future are simply going to step over the carcass. |
You shouldn't sound quite so gleeful when you spout this particular bit of nonsense. If the U.S. falls, the falling with crush Canada like a bug. Living as you do northward, does this scenario please you? |
I completely agree with you, Canada will be hurt badly and my current lifestyle will be damaged. I'm not being gleeful, this is simply an inevitable outcome of the path America has taken. When a country abandons the future, it is doomed. This wouldn't be such a problem if it wasn't for the fact that the US economy is so dominate.
I can see significant global movement away from the complete dependency we all have on the US, however I'm not confident the world is going to be able to hold the US economy in its illusional position long enough the mitigate the worst aftereffects. _________________ Gravity is not a force, it is a boundary layer.
Everything is coincident.
Love: the state of suspended anticipation.
To get any appreciable distance from the Earth in
a sensible amount of time, you must lie. |
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HonestPessimist Heavy Crude


Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Posts: 414
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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If the USA goes down, the USA will take the world down with it. Falling alone is too bittersweet.
You like that? |
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Doly Expert


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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:11 am Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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| HonestPessimist wrote: | If the USA goes down, the USA will take the world down with it. Falling alone is too bittersweet.
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The world is taking measures to avoid falling with the USA. At least, chances are the world won't fall as hard. |
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HonestPessimist Heavy Crude


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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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| Doly wrote: | | HonestPessimist wrote: | If the USA goes down, the USA will take the world down with it. Falling alone is too bittersweet.
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The world is taking measures to avoid falling with the USA. At least, chances are the world won't fall as hard. |
The world may wish that way but the reality is going to be really ugly for the world anyway. |
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Kingcoal Expert


Joined: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 2330 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: American Hegemony |
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What a lot of people on this site don't understand is that the current world economy is the way it is simply because the nations that participate in it want it the way it is. The US is the "great customer" employing millions around the world to produce products for it. These producer nations need to keep their people employed so they take steps to make sure that America can keep buying their products.
America hasn't fallen yet simply because China, Japan, India and the rest of the worlds big producers have been making sure it doesn't. Even Canada and the EU depend on the US buying their products.
The US really doesn't care what these countries do as long as they stay only in the comerical realm. When countries start making weapons of mass destruction, the US has a problem because it has a monopoly in that business. |
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