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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:10 pm    Post subject: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

1. The Flemish government has just brought justice to SUV owners. They used to write their SUV off as a "light truck", knowing that for "light trucks" there are tax breaks.
Now the government has issued a decree which says that SUVs are ordinary cars. The extra income for the government is estimated at a yearly $5 million (not much, but we're a micro-state).

http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/nieuws/details/051222terreinwagengeenlichtevracht/index.shtml

Rumor has it that we're also going to penalise inefficient gas-guzzling cars in general (with an extra tax).

2. SUVs were banned from many Flemish city centres recently, because most accidents in city centres in which pedestrians are involved happen to happen with SUVs. (There's a sociological correlation between aggressive driving and SUV ownership). Of course, they're also banned because they pollute the urban air.

3. Finally, in cities where they haven't been banned yet, there are anti-SUV-terrorists operating, deflating all SUV-tires around. This is a pan-European deflaters organisation, operating in France and the Netherlands too. (A recent poll shows that ordinary people like this kind of terrorism). The police doesn't intervene, which is good.



So how's the war against the SUV going in the US and elsewhere?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

lorenzo wrote:
The police doesn't intervene, which is good.


I wouldn't call that "good" for any country.

Flemish police sound like South African, Iraqi, or Bolivian police.

A corrupt and lawless civil service is one ofthe hallmarks of a failing society.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

When I saw the subject, I immediately thought of that dorky neighbor in The Simpsons, and how funny it would be to have a Simpsons episode where that guy went to war on SUVs. Though it wasn't what I had expected, it was a great article.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ah yes, lets blame 1 type of vehicle for all the worlds pollution and consumption woes.

Fortunately, the war on SUV's is going well here. We dont have one.

Apparently its because our war on stupidity is more effective.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The next SUV to ever knock me off my bike and flee will get their tires shot out with the 9mm, windows smashed, and the driver pulled out and beaten savagely with my bare hands. Being struck by a vehicle on a bicycle is not fun.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm with you, Toecutter. I've had 2 incidents with SUV's while on my bike this year. One nearly ran over my head after knocking me and my bike down, and they never stopped. (I don't even think they realized they hit anything.) The other pushed on my back tire with their front bumper and ran me off the road into a pile of debris on the sidewalk for trash pick-up. (Glass in there cut up my bike tires.)

I realize that slamming SUV drivers has been done to the point of cliche, but I don't have these problems with people driving other types of motor vehicles. The blue-collars and farmers in their trucks are very careful of me, most cars ignore me, but the SUVs love to *ZOOM* past, or try and edge me "out of the way", nevermind that I'm in a clearly marked bike lane.

I'm not a gun nut (nor am I opposed to them), but I am definitely at the end of my patience for this sort of asinine behavior. Didn't their mothers ever teach them better?!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm suprised about the last two posts here. I did not think any drivers would knock down cyclists. I already aggree thats it's too dangerous to ride a bike on the road with even light to medium traffic.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Apparently I am an equal opportunity target. I've been hit by a number of vehicles. Only one was a pickup. No suvs.

Don't you all get a little tired of being morally superior? Better to just have a gas tax and let the consumer make their own choices.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

dukat wrote:
I'm suprised about the last two posts here. I did not think any drivers would knock down cyclists. I already aggree thats it's too dangerous to ride a bike on the road with even light to medium traffic.


Going on those 2 posts maybe letting down tyres is legitimate self-defence. Preemptive strikes being in vogue these days.Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 12:52 am    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

mgibbons19 wrote:

Better to just have a gas tax and let the consumer make their own choices.


The problem is that some people would still afford the lumbering behemoths, even when draconian measures are put in place (case in point, my country, Romania, which has an engine displacement tax in place; this did nothing to reduce the niumber of 2.5, 2.7 and 3 litre-engined vehicles on the road). Also, a lot of people would complain that a mpg tax will be unfair for the 'gasoline crowd' (by contrast with the 'diesel people') and 'poorer people with older cars' (though I personally think that if you're poor, you shouldn't drive a car).
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:50 am    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

TommyJefferson wrote:
lorenzo wrote:
The police doesn't intervene, which is good.


I wouldn't call that "good" for any country.

Flemish police sound like South African, Iraqi, or Bolivian police.

A corrupt and lawless civil service is one ofthe hallmarks of a failing society.


Oh dear, the UK must be failing then Sad The UK Government has decreed that the 40+ UK maonland police forces must combine to as few as 12 forces.
The Forces were given until today to respond with outline plans of preferred mergers. Most have failed to meet the deadline, with only 13 forces showing any interest in merging at all.

Isn't it nice to know that these civil servants that work for the government that works for us (the people) are sticking their heels in the ground & basically refusing to comply with a lawful decree from their bosses !!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Falconoffury wrote:
When I saw the subject, I immediately thought of that dorky neighbor in The Simpsons, and how funny it would be to have a Simpsons episode where that guy went to war on SUVs. Though it wasn't what I had expected, it was a great article.


That's the image I got too. Ned, Rod, and Todd sneaking over at night to slash the tires on Marge's Canyonero.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I saw 2 BIG SUVs battling it out on the road the other day. The one guy was trying to cut in on the right and the smaller SUV would not let him in. The big one just kept coming over and the little guy was heading towards ongoing traffic so he hit the brakes hard!

Of course they both rushed to get to the next red light. Twisted Evil


I did get a look at the drivers:





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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

NeoPeasant wrote:
That's the image I got too. Ned, Rod, and Todd sneaking over at night to slash the tires on Marge's Canyonero.

Hey there, neighboreenos! I took the liberty of improving your sport utilididdly-dee!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Flanders wages war against SUVs Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The_Toecutter wrote:
The next SUV to ever knock me off my bike and flee will get their tires shot out with the 9mm, windows smashed, and the driver pulled out and beaten savagely with my bare hands. Being struck by a vehicle on a bicycle is not fun.


Well, get the F*** out of the way, and don't wear those ghey Jester suits that you bike Nazis are so found of!
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