Don’t worry, just a little bump - $70 is just around the corner. Short traders just keep making those margin calls, mortgage the house if you have to. Fortunes await you! PO is for pansies and doomers. At $70 short some more ..... it is going back to $22 .... the world is awash with oil ........ reality has nothing to do with it, its all in those charts!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:35 pm Post subject: questions from a new guy...
OK-- I am practically convinced. However-- and I say this with all due respect to the more level-headed amongst you-- this board seems to be populated by more than its fair share of neurotics, reactionaries, and social outcasts waiting for the Great Big I-Told-You-So, a fact that makes me rather skeptical of the whole affair. I am sensing the David Icke crowd, and that makes me very nervous...
Simmons (Simmonds?), however dubious and untasty his politics, is the man who essentially sold me on peak oil, but I've still got a few questions. So-- is anyone here a scientist with knowledge of sociology, or a sociologist with knowledge of hard science? If so, I'd like to get in touch via email. Thanks for your time...
Especially, read my disseration on the end of industrialisation due to a lack of new jobs and oil.
I'm a scientist at heart. I was signed up for an MSc in Climate Change and Sustainable Development this year but I've had to cancel due to other pressing issues.
I've been researching peak oil for months now, since about January this year I think. The science, the spin, the social aspects - everything. Email me.
Joined: Aug 10, 2004 Posts: 1104 Location: San Diego, CA, USA
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: questions from a new guy...
ev wrote:
[snip] this board seems to be populated by more than its fair share of neurotics, reactionaries, and social outcasts waiting for the Great Big I-Told-You- [snip] Simmons (Simmonds?), however dubious and untasty his politics, is the man who essentially sold me on peak oil, but I've still got a few questions. So-- is anyone here a scientist with knowledge of sociology, or a sociologist with knowledge of hard science? If so, I'd like to get in touch via email. Thanks for your time...
This is the internet. It's full of freaks and weirdos. A racist or two wanders in here at times (we try to throw them out) and there are a few end-of-the-world types. One takes the bad with the good.
What are Simmons politics? I'm not aware of them. I know he supported the Cheney energy plan in one way or another. Is there something we should know?
Joined: Aug 18, 2004 Posts: 694 Location: SF Bay Area, Calif
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject:
ev wrote:
So-- is anyone here a scientist with knowledge of sociology, or a sociologist with knowledge of hard science?
You might look at what Richard Heinberg has written. His field is cultural ecology, which seems to be a combination of history, ecology, anthropology and sociology. He is good at translating science into languages that non-experts can understand. As a bonus, he seems to be emotionally well-balanced!
Two books: "Powerdown", "the Party's Over," and numerous essays (you can search this site for writings or references).
Don't be put off by the rich variety of personality types. When the cultural paradigm changes, the first people to jump on board are those of us who are not closely tied to conventional society.
Joined: Jun 26, 2004 Posts: 1189 Location: Madison,Wisconsin
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:27 pm Post subject:
EV, i would say the problem is this.
Until very recently, this problem was regligated to exactly the crowd you described. When Hubbert first suggested that he thought the US's oil supply would peak in the early 70's, he was almost laughed out of his profession. No one wanted to believe him, so very few did. Then oil discoveries peaked in the 60's. Even then, he was only listed to by a very few. Then the 70's hit, and all the sudden everyone wanted to believe in his theories.
We then bailed ourselves out by using the middle east like never before. We ignored the efforts by national and local governments to get us to stop consuming, and continued to consume like never before. Hubbert died towards the end of this decade, and people by and large didn't even notice.
It was only when people who actually worked in the oil business started to pay attention, and that some of the figures of how much we actually demand and the actual supply in some places started to be figured, that people started to get really worried.
Don't however let the idea's orgins let you not debate it on its merits. As you yourself said, you are convinced. You simply are put off by some of the nutty people who like the idea as well. If someone who smells, looks bad, and generaly is a jerk thinks it's a good idea to not jump off the bridge, does that mean you shouldn't admit you think its a good idea as well?
Seriously though, this site is probably the best debate site your going to find on this topic. I have checked out alot of the other sites and most of them don't even make an attempt at balanced views of the topic. They are there to convince you. This site is to talk about the idea, to debate it, to find solutions if there are any, and to connect with each other. I would say ignore the email, and just stay here... You may not like Every single person you meet, but you will at least get more info than you ever would have before.
And trust me, the people who don't have good educated backgrounds on this very early on reveal themselves. I will admit my background is more people based and very little formal education, but i have done Alot of research on this, and am continuing to learn at a very fast rate. Don't out someone's idea's just because they are not college educated. My point of view anyway. _________________ Azreal60
Oh and last I checked - homo sapiens sapiens (or gracile if you like) all the same species last I checked... closest liviing relative pongo... "chimps" - diffierent genus... last speciel differnece was homo erectus... possible homo sapiens neanderthalensis (depending on technicalities)
Joined: Aug 14, 2004 Posts: 2063 Location: San Diego, Ca.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:13 pm Post subject:
Quote:
this board seems to be populated by more than its fair share of neurotics, reactionaries, and social outcasts waiting for the Great Big I-Told-You-So,
All hail ev and his first post! Speak to me my lord! Tell me who is bothering you and I shall punish them! I promise to have the board in top shape the next time you grace us with your presence.
[rant]
I am getting sick and tired of people who think their brains are so large as to know how Peak Oil will turn out one way or the other.
A crash [upturned nose] hhhuummff! That will never happen. Just look at what happened (insert past crisis here), we survived.
Give me a break. No one knows where Peak Oil will take us.
[/rant] _________________ "Peak oil isn't more than an interesting industry factoid and doesn't have anything to do with the hysterics speculated on ad nauseum around here!" ReserveGrowthRulz
Joined: Jul 09, 2004 Posts: 71 Location: Sunny San Diego
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:19 pm Post subject:
<<<Quote>>>Don't out someone's idea's just because they are not college educated. My point of view anyway.<<<EndQuote>>>
What Azreal said! I think a lot of us are just normal folk doing what we can to assimilate a huge amount of very scary information. Were smart enought to not to 'blow it off' like most of society. With news about oil hitting $54 a barrel, terrorists who keep hitting pipelines, and all the nutty stuff going on in the world, some of us see a big neon sign that is saying...BE SURE YOUR STANDING NEAR A LIFE BOAT, CAUSE THE ICEBURG IS JUST OVER THE HORIZON!
Joined: Aug 23, 2004 Posts: 695 Location: Frost Free in New Zealand
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:18 pm Post subject:
So most people think the world is round. Some of us know that it is not.
As someone who experienced out of body experiences telepathy and a
host of other phenomena during their 20's and 30's you can keep your
scientists and sociologists and I'll stick to the likes of Icke and Alex Jones
Joined: Sep 26, 2004 Posts: 40 Location: Australia
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:15 am Post subject:
To survive and thrive in a low energy world we must all become generalists.
The over educated are by training - specialists - eg silviculturalists are too interested in chopping a tree down to obtain veneers etc that they don't notice the high yield of nuts brimming full of oil - or good protein etc.
It is the poor under educated generalist - the neo peasantry - that will point the way to a happy and productive future - especially those with enough brains to know an Expert - where I come from an Ex is a "has been" and a Spurt is a "drip" under pressure.
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