How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:31 pm Post subject: Hemp Plastics
And lest duff_beer_dragon think I only criticize:
I'd like to point to this as an example of an actual (partial) solution - though I still have concerns about the feasibility of hemp agriculture on a significant scale, and about what amount of energy is required per kilo of hemp plastic. No revolutionary breakthrough in our understanding of organic chemistry is required to make the plastic, though.
I feel much the same way about thermal depolymerization (partial solution) - but a lot of partial solutions may just add up to one entire solution!
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:03 am Post subject: chronic
It's been around all along........it's nothing new.........
so, why hasn't it been used then? why the efforts to make sure it never saw the light of day then?
Industry loves new things that make them money - except sometimes? They like long term solutions.
Your note in passing was yet another example of the sort of insidiousness that shouldn't have to be put up with,
the link I provided inlcudes that information, yet you felt you had to add one of your own as if it was further informative -
you also deliberately selected Dupont because you know how integral that company was in killing the hemp industry in America and around the world - Dupont worked with Anslinger and bad-mouthed hemp in the newspapaers and invented racist scare stories about cannabis users to help keep hemp associated with those stories, Dupont stood to gain from making hemp illegal because they owned rights to chemicals that turned wood pulp from trees into paper.
Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: chronic
duff_beer_dragon wrote:
so, why hasn't it been used then? why the efforts to make sure it never saw the light of day then?
Traditional thinking holds that oil- or gas-based synthetic plastics are "better". This is apparently changing. As for the bans on hemp because "it's a drug", the movement against the so-called "war on drugs" is gaining momentum.
Despite this, I am still not convinced hemp is as advantageous as it's made out to be: industrial hemp is legal in Canada, and the Ontatio Ministry of Agriculture and Food reports that it requires "a lot of moisture" and "approximately the same fertility as a high-yielding crop of wheat".
http://www.gov.on.ca/OMAFRA/english/crops/facts/00-067.htm#fertility
duff_beer_dragon wrote:
Industry loves new things that make them money - except sometimes? They like long term solutions.
Long term solutions such as ___? I don't see what you are implying.
However, due to "discounting", the future normally bears less importance than the present; the further off in the future, the less important. For uncertain or risky ventures, the discount rate gets higher. It is difficult for a corporation to justify a course of action with a cost greater than its present value.
duff_beer_dragon wrote:
Your note in passing was yet another example of the sort of insidiousness that shouldn't have to be put up with,
the link I provided inlcudes that information, yet you felt you had to add one of your own as if it was further informative
Your link "inlcudes that information"? Show me where hempplastics.com mentions rayon. Google couldn't find that word anywhere on the site.
duff_beer_dragon wrote:
you also deliberately selected Dupont because you know how integral that company was in killing the hemp industry in America and around the world - Dupont worked with Anslinger and bad-mouthed hemp in the newspapaers and invented racist scare stories about cannabis users to help keep hemp associated with those stories, Dupont stood to gain from making hemp illegal because they owned rights to chemicals that turned wood pulp from trees into paper.
Actually I didn't know any of that - though I would like to see a source citation - I knew Rayon was originally plant-derived, so I looked for the makers. Turned out to be DuPont. However, I just did more Instant Research (Google search for "dupont evil" without the quotes), and now I also know:
"The Du Ponts have a big stake in nuclear power. Their chemical company helped make the atomic and hydrogen bombs for the government, operates the nation's only processor of heavy water, tritium, and weapons grade plutonium . . . " from "Du Pont Dynasty: Behind the Nylon Curtain" by Gerard Colby.
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