I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
NeoPeasant wrote:
I remember Matt Savinar was offering his book free to armed forces members for quite a while.
What do you think this results in? A potential demoralisation of soldiers and hence the addition of Matt Savinar and all members of the PO-community to a list of 'internal enemies'. (I assume that profiles already exist of each one of us posters here).
I would not be so bold as Matt and getting even close to anything that has to do with the military apparatus. If this whole thing goes sour (as all to many of us expect if I am not mistaken) this site will be shut down and the posters go to precisely the camps that Matt Savinar located and described in previous posts since they 'spread unrest' and make the population potentially nervous and less managable.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
I doubt that posters and experts pose any kind of threat to anything. There is no reason why anyone would be thrown into a camp like that. They have enough to worry about. Activists obviously don't have any large scale impact on the outcome of anything.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
albente wrote:
NeoPeasant wrote:
I remember Matt Savinar was offering his book free to armed forces members for quite a while.
What do you think this results in? A potential demoralisation of soldiers and hence the addition of Matt Savinar and all members of the PO-community to a list of 'internal enemies'. (I assume that profiles already exist of each one of us posters here)
Of the more prominent members of the community, I have little doubt that such profiles exist.
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I would not be so bold as Matt and getting even close to anything that has to do with the military apparatus. If this whole thing goes sour (as all to many of us expect if I am not mistaken) this site will be shut down and the posters go to precisely the camps that Matt Savinar located and described in previous posts since they 'spread unrest' and make the population potentially nervous and less managable.
Yep.
Anybody out there want some good practical advice? Keep your mouth shut if you have any dissenting opinions and would prefer not to be "on the list."
For people like me, it's probably already too late.
Although I purposely stay off the television in hopes that confining myself to dimly-lit corners of the internet will keep me low enough on "the list" that I'll be left alone to tend my garden and crack smart-ass jokes about my neighbors in peace.
Probably should not have agreed to do the oil crash movie. Oh well, too late now.
Best,
Matt
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
FossilFool wrote:
I doubt that posters and experts pose any kind of threat to anything. There is no reason why anyone would be thrown into a camp like that. They have enough to worry about. Activists obviously don't have any large scale impact on the outcome of anything.
Curious you should mention this as it is exactly what I say to myself after I wash down the valium.
Best,
Matt
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
MattSavinar wrote:
Anybody out there want some good practical advice? Keep your mouth shut if you have any dissenting opinions and would prefer not to be "on the list."
For people like me, it's probably already too late.
Although I purposely stay off the television in hopes that confining myself to dimly-lit corners of the internet will keep me low enough on "the list" that I'll be left alone to tend my garden and crack smart-ass jokes about my neighbors in peace.
Probably should not have agreed to do the oil crash movie. Oh well, too late now.
If there is a (s)hit list reguarding Peak Oil icons, then there's no mistaking it, you are definately on it.
With that in mind, you might as well grab your balls and go whole-hog. If instead you get spooks that start delivering cryptic threats, then consider yourself lucky and officially renounce PO to tip everybody off to what happened without actually saying it.
If people like Bakhitari, Campbell, Deffeyes, et al. start winding up missing or dead from mysterious causes, you might wanto to dissappear for awhile.
I think something like that is highly improbable because it would be pretty damn transparent, but in the unlikely event that truth ends up being stranger than fiction...
MattSavinar wrote:
FossilFool wrote:
I doubt that posters and experts pose any kind of threat to anything. There is no reason why anyone would be thrown into a camp like that. They have enough to worry about. Activists obviously don't have any large scale impact on the outcome of anything.
Curious you should mention this as it is exactly what I say to myself after I wash down the valium.
Ever seen any of the Cube movie series? Cube: Zero in particular? Check it out sometime.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
Golgo13 wrote:
MattSavinar wrote:
Anybody out there want some good practical advice? Keep your mouth shut if you have any dissenting opinions and would prefer not to be "on the list."
For people like me, it's probably already too late.
Although I purposely stay off the television in hopes that confining myself to dimly-lit corners of the internet will keep me low enough on "the list" that I'll be left alone to tend my garden and crack smart-ass jokes about my neighbors in peace.
Probably should not have agreed to do the oil crash movie. Oh well, too late now.
If there is a (s)hit list reguarding Peak Oil icons, then there's no mistaking it, you are definately on it.
With that in mind, you might as well grab your balls and go whole-hog. If instead you get spooks that start delivering cryptic threats, then consider yourself lucky and officially renounce PO to tip everybody off to what happened without actually saying it..
I suspect "they" keep tabs on us peak oil "icons" (as you say) to make sure we don't get any bright ideas about starting quasi-revolutionary political or resource nationalization movements.
Obviously, Simmons isn't too much of a worry in that regard. But they might think different about Mike Ruppert or myself. They got nothing to worry about from me. I'm way too much of a wuss to start anything like that.
Cup size is only medium on this hombre. (and that's on a good day).
Best,
Matt
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
MattSavinar wrote:
..Anybody out there want some good practical advice? Keep your mouth shut if you have any dissenting opinions and would prefer not to be "on the list."
Given that our actions make the future, who benefits from a policy of disengagement by those smart enough to see what they're up to? The current liars and theives, who are not nearly as all-powerful or numerous as they would like you to believe. Disengagement makes fascism inevitable.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
Liamj wrote:
MattSavinar wrote:
Anybody out there want some good practical advice? Keep your mouth shut if you have any dissenting opinions and would prefer not to be "on the list."
Given that our actions make the future, who benefits from a policy of disengagement by those smart enough to see what they're up to? The current liars and theives, who are not nearly as all-powerful or numerous as they would like you to believe. Disengagement makes fascism inevitable.
Say that at 2:00 am when there's a knock at your door and it' time for you and the other 10,000 or so people on "the list" to be taken away, disappeared forever.
Best,
Matt
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
Why propagate fear and defeatism?
I have no dreams of glory, but i'd rather die proud than live supporting the morons with guns. They're going to have to go sometime if this species is to make a go of it, 'laying (too) low' is just passing the buck to our kids.
I'm not really nagging you Matt, you've had your head stuck out for a while now, but advocating obedience?!? Ever consider that the more people speak out the less successful retribution becomes?
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
Liamj wrote:
Why propagate fear and defeatism?
I have no dreams of glory, but i'd rather die proud than live supporting the morons with guns. They're going to have to go sometime if this species is to make a go of it, 'laying (too) low' is just passing the buck to our kids.
I'm not really nagging you Matt, you've had your head stuck out for a while now, but advocating obedience?!? Ever consider that the more people speak out the less successful retribution becomes?
Not advocating obedience. Not advocating anything one way or the other. And not propagating fear. Look friend, Halliburton's subsidiary KBR just got awarded a 400 mil. contract to build domestic "detention and processing" centers.
Just saying the pragmatic thing to do is to realize that world events are influenced by the nature of energy supplies far more than they are by what you or I do/think.
So protect your own ass. Shut your mouth (for your own safety), get out of debt, relocate to whereever you feel is the "least bad", invest your money wherever you think is the "least unsafe", get as off-the-grid as you reasonably can, and hope you're able to carve out a satisfactory existence where you don't have to perceive the general brutality that is present and now rapidly spreading in step with our globalized society's falling net-energy.
Sorry to burst the bubbles of the ideology-driven folks (even those I agree with), but it's finito for your ideology: those of us advocating peace or sustainability have lost. The world is going straight to hell and my advice is to set up shop in the least hot place of hell you can find and hope the devil don't come for you.
Best,
Matt
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
Do troops know about this and how Bushand Comp. are taking us down the toilet?
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A Review of State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration by James Risen[quote]
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:55 am Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
Do the troops know?
Some do. A friend of mine in the Army does.
The case could be made that it's a good thing for the troops to know. The case could also be made, and most of us here would agree with it, that the underlying rationale behind Iraq was to set up a US-friendly regime with enough oil to keep us supplied in the event Saudi went down, or to serve as a "friendly" point from which action could be launched in the event of overtly hostile acts by other governments or subnational groups in the region.
In fact I think Bush should have been up front about that in the first place. Then we can debate the real story rather than get into a national stink about lies and leadership.
Some of us here would support that rationale and others criticize it.
Meanwhile, members of the military have perfectly reasonable grounds to discuss PO with their fellow warriors. It definitely bears on national security. It bears on the costs of defense mobilization. It is obviously relevant to geopolitical strategy. Officers and enlisted could work on ways of reducing petroleum consumption in their own areas of responsibility, without impairing operational readiness. Some might become more gung-ho about being engaged in the Middle East.
There are plenty of ways to become PO-active without putting oneself at risk of political retribution. What you have to count on is that the truth sets people free and that people will tend to come to convergent conclusions about facts.
Some of us are engineers of various kinds, and some of us are engaged in promoting non fossil energy sources such as wind and uranium, or efficiency measures such as development of electric vehicles.
We are not subversives, we are patriots and committed citizens doing what we can to help our respective countries get through a crisis.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
My previous scenario of this site being shut down and all posters being thrown in camps was certainly over the top, but deliberately so. See it as an example of how fear is can be used for behaviour modification. Unless one disputes of course that no emergency plans exist.
If in fact the system reaches the critical point(s) the only way for it to extend its livespan is through population reduction. Now, since nobody will volunteer who are the ones to be detained first?
Those who cannot pay their debt of course! The selection will be (who would have expected otherwise?) primarily on monetary grounds - those who have against those who have not.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Do the troops know about PO?
shakespear1 wrote:
Do troops know about this and how Bushand Comp. are taking us down the toilet?
A co-worker of mine just got back from an 18-month deployment with his guard unit. He hasn't heard a thing. I talked to him about it and got the usual disbelief / denial we've all seen too much.
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