Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Cheney cancels oil trip
I agree a lot of Albertans were disappointed he did not make it, he knows where the golden goose is, it seems a lot of Americans and Canadians are unaware of how close Alberta is to the US politically and financially I mean. Within 6 months the majority of Alberta crude will be flowing south to the good old USA via pipelines. Cheney knows how important this will be to the people of America and Alberta. Martin's recent threats of cutting off this oil due to trade issues is a fool talking with a big mouth. Albertan's own the oil in Alberta and US money developed it, I certainly hope that the Chinese are not allowed in here. Everywhere they have gone for oil all over the 3rd world they bring in lots of Chinese military. Not like the US sending Cheney for a parlay and a fishing trip. The Chinese are as dangerous and maybe more so than the nutbar Moslem's.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Cheney cancels oil trip
I don't see the Chinese as dangerous. Unlike another power, they don't run around the world invading and occupying countries every couple years.
The Chinese are good customers. Canada recently built two nuclear reactors outside of Shanghai and they were both built under budget and ahead of schedule. The Chinese have offered to finance a pipleline to he Pacific Coast...an infusion of a few billion dollars. They tend to come through once they start exploring a project. Even Russia has stated that it would give priority of supply to China over western Europe because the Chinese tend to commit themselves early and then follow through.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Cheney cancels oil trip
The Chinese have thousands of troops in the Sudan as we speak to secure their oil. The Chinese are undergoing the biggest military buildup in history right now. The Chinese have thousands of spys in Canada right now, CSIS reports.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Cheney cancels oil trip
You may want to see the post at Boston Globe "Foreign policy realism" with Condoleezza Rice for the best answer as to where Dick Cheney is. The PNAC sponsored neoconservative elite, of which Cheney is at the forefront, has lost favor with this administration. Dicky'Boy's being put on hurricane duty is like being the CEO of a major corporation and being sent to Siberia by the Board of Directors as they look for a new CEO. He may not reappear again until he cycles back into Haliburton, so scoop up all those billions he's surreptitiously reaped.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Cheney cancels oil trip
fossilnut2, do you have your head stuck in Tar Sands or are you just plain ol' nutty?
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Cheney is the only voice of sanity in the Bush administration. He was wrong about Iraq but when it comes to energy he has a good understanding of the industry ...He was wrong about Iraq but when it comes to energy he has a good understanding of the industry ... Americans should be glad they have some one as high as a VP with his sleeves roled up and is looking after their interests.
Really BIG mistake there with Iraq, of which you apparently have not a clue. He's VP because he's an insider and bought himself that seat and will make every penny back and then some when he cycles back to Haliburton. We do not need more oil supply and all the additional burning of that. Have you ever heard of Global Warming and Climate Change? We need less current supply, a revamped transportation sector to accomodate, redirection of oil to all the other million uses including plastics, and a spreading of use through a time frame that includes other generations. Or are you just gonna write those generations off, because, what the Fark, its moot with global warming and all?
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Cheney cancels oil trip
Back to the industry to line his pockets? dumb.
The President of the USA and his VP are the most powerful individuals in the world. Ex-US Presidents and VPs don't need Haliburton, GM, Microsoft or anybody else.
After a certain point money buys power. These fellows don't need power. They have it. Bill Clinton, Gore, Bush senior, etc. can snap their fingers and get whisked away to the sultan of Brunei and fill their pockets with rubies and diamonds. They don't need money because they want a bigger car or bigger mansion. Fortunately most of them have more integrity. If they want some pocket change they can make a speech and earn a cool million.
When's the last time Clinton or George Senior had to buy an NFL ticket or pay for a hamburger or worried about gas at $3.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Cheney cancels oil trip
rkerver you don't buy that left wing goo about global warming and the sky is falling do you? Did you see the recent article about Martian global warming as well. Seen any suv's on mars lately? It is a natural cycle ask the folks at Woods Hole they have done all the research already. Besides no country is going to shut down their economy based on pie in the sky commie green religion.
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:05 am Post subject: Re: Cheney cancels oil trip
deMolay wrote:
It is a natural cycle ask the folks at Woods Hole they have done all the research already. .
Yeah, let's ask Woods Hole if it's a "natural cycle," shall we?
"Q Have humans contributed to the warming?
A. Yes, but there is debate over how much. Natural variability - such as that arising from changes in the sun's energy input to Earth, volcanic activity, and regional climate phenomena like El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) - does play a role in adjusting the global thermometer. But the observed temperature record cannot be wholly accounted for by natural causes. As the American Geophysical Union recently concluded: "It is scientifically inconceivable that - after changing forest into cities, putting dust and soot into the atmosphere, putting millions of acres of desert into irrigated agriculture, and putting greenhouse gases into the atmosphere - humans have not altered the natural course of the climate system." Greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), ozone (O3) and chlorofluorocarbons (CFC) are being added to the atmosphere largely as a result of burning fossil fuels, tropical deforestation and other human activities. These gases trap energy that would normally be radiated into space, and raise Earth's surface temperatures...
Q. How can global warming and sudden cooling happen at the same time?
A. Confusion arises because a cooling can be a regional event, superimposed on top of continuously warming earth. Global warming is driven by the increased capture of solar energy due to the increasing concentration of greenhouse gases (such as carbon dioxide and methane) in the atmosphere, caused mainly by human activities. The warming has global consequences. The energy gained from higher greenhouse gas concentrations is distributed around the global and affects many systems - warming the atmosphere, warming the oceans, increasing evaporation in some regions and precipitation in others, and melting glaciers.
Complications arise when you consider how heat and water are moved around the planet. Warming is causing more water to evaporate from the tropics, more rainfall in subpolar and polar regions, and more ice to melt at high latitudes. As a result, fresh water is being lost from the tropics and added to the ocean at higher latitudes. In the North Atlantic Ocean, the additional fresh water can change ocean circulation patterns, disrupting or redirecting currents that now carry warm water to the north. Redirecting or slowing this "Atlantic heat pump" would mean colder winters in the northeast U.S. and Western Europe. But the heat gained from higher greenhouse gas concentrations is still in the climate system, just elsewhere. The result: a warmer earth, a colder North Atlantic."
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: THE Cheney Thread
CNN has been running a story tonight about a Time poll that shows Americans evenly split on the question, "Does Dick Cheney have America's best interests at heart?"
Bill Schneider, CNN's political wonk, repeatedly expressed astonishment that half of Americans believe the Vice President of the U.S. doesn't have the best interests of the country at heart. (Schneider is a bit of a rightwinger.) They asked him if it was because of the shooting incident, but Schneider said no.
He said Cheney's problem is that he's an oil man, and Americans have a deep distrust of Big Oil.
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Why Americans don't trust Cheney
I'm surprised that Americans actually trust any politician. _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Why Americans don't trust Cheney
I know y'r all gonna beat the hell outta me for this one...but Dick Cheney is the MOST trusted man in government. (IMHO).
The dude is getting up there (in years)...he's got a seriously bad ticker...WHY would he subject himself to being under the microscope (of being the VP)???
You all casually dismiss it as "greed"...the dude has more money than he could spend...hundreds of millions of dollars...and his time is running short. Greed just doesn't make sence!
Could it be that he loves his country so much that he's willing to sacrifice his final years in order to make his country a better place?
GW did it (that's George Washington)...but i know you wont hear what i'm saying...so go ahead...beat the livin' crap outta me. _________________ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Why Americans don't trust Cheney
I do not trust Cheney. He is a greedy, lying, stupid son of a bitch and not like my friends at all. Anyone as rich, powerfull, and dishonest as he can not be any good. do you need to know more? _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:13 am Post subject: Re: Why Americans don't trust Cheney
Leanan wrote:
Bill Schneider, CNN's political wonk, repeatedly expressed astonishment that half of Americans believe the Vice President of the U.S. doesn't have the best interests of the country at heart.
I'm astonished that half of Americans believe the reverse. _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:31 am Post subject: Re: Why Americans don't trust Cheney
People genuinely concerned to promote the interests of US citizens, would not keep them in a permanent state of fear for political purposes. They wouldn't sacrifice the lives of their service men and women, on behalf of big business interests, based on a threat which never existed. And they wouldn't transform the US into the most reviled nation on the planet - thereby putting the lives of innocent US civilians travelling overseas in jeopardy.
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