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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:21 pm    Post subject: Tankless water heaters Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hi,

Newbie here... has anyone had success with intalling tankless hot water heaters? I see them in Asia/Europe, and if there's something people in North America can do to reduce energy consumption, it would be getting rid of those hot water tanks. The hoarding of hot water, esp during long periods of time when no one uses it is amazingly wasteful in my opinon...


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:55 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thanks go, I think most folks don't know more than "the laft is hot".
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:05 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

My dad installs eletric heaters as well as the new tankless water heater.. we have one and it works great, and it saves a whole lot of energy. The water is processed threw coils and heating elements in a long tubing process which heats the water as it comes in.. very energy efficant and the water is piping hot.. My dad has been installing the Rennai tankless water heater for a few years now and business just keeps picking up.. seems like a good choice if you ask me..
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:08 pm    Post subject: tankless water heater Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

A relative of mine just installed a tankless water heater. I don't know what exactly went wrong with the installation, but the way the thing works is to cycle on and off a few times a second as current is drawn to heat the coils. That wouldn't be bad, but it draws so much current that all lights in the house dim in time with the current draw, so if someone takes a shower, the house is on a mild strobe the entire time.

They never run out of hot water, but it is a little odd to have all the lights strobing all the time.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:14 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Unfortunately, the initial price isnt offset by the returns on your energy bill unless it lasts for a very, very long time.
In other words, while nice its not worth the investment.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:59 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

A Tankless water heater should last 20 - 25 years and they can be repaired. My Gas Takagi tankless cost about 900. It costs about 25% less to run than a conventional water heater. The gas ones can deliver more gallons per minute that the electrics that I've read about.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:11 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ExampleGiven wrote:
A Tankless water heater should last 20 - 25 years and they can be repaired. My Gas Takagi tankless cost about 900. It costs about 25% less to run than a conventional water heater. The gas ones can deliver more gallons per minute that the electrics that I've read about.


Exactly. I can get a gas hot water heater for what... 100 bucks on sale? I think mine was 150 or 200, right around there. The cheapest I found tankless was around 600 or so, and it'd be iffy on running much more then 1 appliance at a time. So, assuming 200 to 600, thats 400 bucks more for tankless. Its going to take you 20 years to recoup the difference in price!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:30 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

are high energy costs the reason these devices are popular in asia/europe?

until our energy prices reach that critical point it is not cost effective to own one in NA?


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ExampleGiven wrote:
A Tankless water heater should last 20 - 25 years and they can be repaired. My Gas Takagi tankless cost about 900. It costs about 25% less to run than a conventional water heater. The gas ones can deliver more gallons per minute that the electrics that I've read about.


Exactly. I can get a gas hot water heater for what... 100 bucks on sale? I think mine was 150 or 200, right around there. The cheapest I found tankless was around 600 or so, and it'd be iffy on running much more then 1 appliance at a time. So, assuming 200 to 600, thats 400 bucks more for tankless. Its going to take you 20 years to recoup the difference in price!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:58 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

gonin02 wrote:
are high energy costs the reason these devices are popular in asia/europe?

until our energy prices reach that critical point it is not cost effective to own one in NA?


Specop_007 wrote:
ExampleGiven wrote:
A Tankless water heater should last 20 - 25 years and they can be repaired. My Gas Takagi tankless cost about 900. It costs about 25% less to run than a conventional water heater. The gas ones can deliver more gallons per minute that the electrics that I've read about.


Exactly. I can get a gas hot water heater for what... 100 bucks on sale? I think mine was 150 or 200, right around there. The cheapest I found tankless was around 600 or so, and it'd be iffy on running much more then 1 appliance at a time. So, assuming 200 to 600, thats 400 bucks more for tankless. Its going to take you 20 years to recoup the difference in price!


I think the reason there not popular in NA is two-fold. Firstly, the initial cost isnt offset by the savings unless you keep it for decades. Secondly is a usage issue. You cant run the dishwasher, take a shower and do laundry with a tankless, you can with a tanked.
For a small family thats not a big problem. With my family (3 kids) we often end up running more then 1 hot water reliant device at a time. So not only would I have a huge out of pocket expense up front versus minimal savings in the long run, but I'd also have to really manage the issue of hot water usage in terms of when we bath/wash dishes and do laundry.
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