I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
3. Afford a house
4. Afford 2+ kids
5. Give your kids the best education (doesn't mean public schools, but even they could be leveraged)
6. Not to fear that your boys might be devirginated by some son of a lowlife when called to serve their country once turned 18.
7. Not to fear that in order to survive you might have to beg when you are old and less capable.
8. Not to fear that you just might perish being at the wrong corner at the wrong time.
The list could go on and on and on. So "nothing" is really unapplicable here.
What Russia has to do with it? The original claim was that in Belarus you could do anything you could do in US plus some extras and this is plain bullshit.
Anyhow Belarusian gun laws may be better then Russians, but it only means that Russian gun laws are worse then Belarusian. Both could be pathetic, can't they: Article 5 and 6 forbids ownership of anything but shotguns and hunting rifles and Article 7 limit clip size to less then 10 and forbids using metal bullets. Plus article 7 states that in any day the President could ask to surrender all guns just because he wants so.
I don't see how one could legaly own AK-47 (even canstrated version compliant with restriction Clinton passed into law) in Belarus.
Give me a break! Who owns the land in Belarus? Is it the people?
Russian_Cowboy wrote:
MOCKBA wrote:
3. Afford a house
4. Afford 2+ kids
5. Give your kids the best education (doesn't mean public schools, but even they could be leveraged)
6. Not to fear that your boys might be devirginated by some son of a lowlife when called to serve their country once turned 18.
7. Not to fear that in order to survive you might have to beg when you are old and less capable.
8. Not to fear that you just might perish being at the wrong corner at the wrong time.
The list could go on and on and on. So "nothing" is really unapplicable here.
These have nothing to do with democracy.
What democracy has to do with it? The original claim was still that in Belarus you could do anything you could do in US plus extras and this is plain bullshit.
Come to think of it... Belarus is much like Cuba with some help from Hugo Chavarez, only in Cuba climate is much better and the land is not contaminated with a fallout from Chernobyl.
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: Re: Belarus doing democracy
MOCKBA,
Guns?
My father dreams of guns... people who know there gov is about to crash needs guns, I don't guns...
I don't want guns... I like Russia and Belarus because they are the new world... that is where imagrant will go to... That's where the future is... Guns are needed to protect people whne a giv comesup with things like the patriot act or Saddam did 9/11 or there is peace in Iraq...
Runs are needed when your gov is looney...
Belarus and Russia's populations don't need guns, except for simple hunting... like ing killing Americans with NGO money or squirles...
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Belarus doing democracy
lutherquick wrote:
MOCKBA,
Guns?
My father dreams of guns... people who know there gov is about to crash needs guns, I don't guns...
I don't want guns... I like Russia and Belarus because they are the new world... that is where imagrant will go to... That's where the future is... Guns are needed to protect people whne a giv comesup with things like the patriot act or Saddam did 9/11 or there is peace in Iraq...
Runs are needed when your gov is looney...
Belarus and Russia's populations don't need guns, except for simple hunting... like ing killing Americans with NGO money or squirles...
luther,
I do not think you assess the situation in Russia that clearly. Belarus is a small country and I have never been to Belarus - I can not speak for or against it. But I know what russian crime rate is. Many people in russia are craving for legal semis like US citizens have, check the forums in the internet and see what happens in the country like Russia. You can not carry your hunting rifle around in the city, so you are helpless against the criminals. O.K it is a question whether legal guns are good - think of those american kids killing classmates, but in my opinion it is a good thing.
If you think that russian gov. or russian police is protecting russian people from criminals, you are mistaken. But these are things you see when you live in the place, and not visit it as an american tourist
It is good if you like Russia and Belarus, there are probably around ten americans who do so:) But that does not change the facts, sorry man. Ask MOCKBA or russian_cowboy about that - they know it for sure.
Once again lutherquick, You like these two countries and it is NICE! but do not describe them as a paradise - for they are no paradise! They have life expectancy and income levels of a third world country, but look like a wannabe Empire and its small satellite.
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: Re: Belarus doing democracy
sch_peakoiler wrote:
lutherquick wrote:
MOCKBA,
Guns?
My father dreams of guns... people who know there gov is about to crash needs guns, I don't guns...
I don't want guns... I like Russia and Belarus because they are the new world... that is where imagrant will go to... That's where the future is... Guns are needed to protect people whne a giv comesup with things like the patriot act or Saddam did 9/11 or there is peace in Iraq...
Runs are needed when your gov is looney...
Belarus and Russia's populations don't need guns, except for simple hunting... like ing killing Americans with NGO money or squirles...
luther,
I do not think you assess the situation in Russia that clearly. Belarus is a small country and I have never been to Belarus - I can not speak for or against it. But I know what russian crime rate is. Many people in russia are craving for legal semis like US citizens have, check the forums at www.guns.ru and see what happens in the country like Russia. You can not carry your hunting rifle around in the city, so you are helpless against the criminals. O.K it is a question whether legal guns are good - think of those american pupils killing classmates, but in my opinion it is a good thing.
If you think that russian gov. or russian police is protecting russian people from criminals, you are mistaken. But these are things you see when you live in the place, and not visit it as an american tourist
It is good if you like Russia and Belarus, you are prob. one of ten americans who do so. But that does not change the facts, sorry man. Ask MOCKBA or russian_cowboy about that - they know it for sure.
You can't carry a irfle around in a city in the USA either....
Trust me I know...and it just LOOKED like a rifle....from a distance...and in a southern town no less.
IN many Cities it is EXPLICITLY illegal, in the rest you will be lucky not to get shot by mistake anyhow.
Many States in the USA have rules agains Hi-cap magazines, Executive orders such as section 922r against importation of anything other than sporting firearms in the USA mean no Semi-Auto Ak is 100% importable...an now the E-Atf says barrels of Non-sporters are non-importable as well....
(currently Most imported semi auto "AK" series- most likely Romanian- are in Sporter configuration -cant take High capacity magazines etc.- they are MODIFIED in the USA...often filled with cheaply made non spec USA parts...and sold at a good profit)
Yah, tell me about the Sheisse laws goin' on here in the good ol US of A...
Now maybe Russia need a Concield Carry handgun Law Program like the USA, that would help some...
But things are not so cool here either... _________________ With Love to all, and Malice to none.
"A people is conquered not when they lose a war, but when they adopt the song and customs of the enemy"
-Chacham S
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: Re: Belarus doing democracy
hi the Virginian,
Sorry man, I am from Europe, so i don't know pecularities of US laws. I understand, rifle in the city is too much, but you can legally own a semi in US, cant you? And you can carry that around also. Is it true? If am mistaken, just correct me.
I do not know so much about gun laws in russia, either, I just know for sure that semis are illegal.
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Belarus doing democracy
Nobody wanted to discuss anything but guns, so be it... I find other things I pointed out more important, but let's talk guns...
lutherquick wrote:
Runs are needed when your gov is looney...
I assume the phrase above should read "Guns are needed when your gov is looney..." and I agree with that in a sence that laws permiting gun ownership is a safeguard agains the government taking too much control over people being governed - hicks could form armed militia and resist federal government. They would stay little if any chance in hand-to-hand combat with the army, but this is not it... When there is a way to form armed militia, it is in the air with whom the army would side: would it be government or would it be people?
When there is no chance of forming armed militia, there is no options - the people should always obey and swallow anything imposed on them.
See, the above is applicable to any country.
lutherquick wrote:
Belarus and Russia's populations don't need guns, except for simple hunting... like ing killing Americans with NGO money or squirles...
Sure, Russian population didn't need guns since The Great October Socialist Revolution and one of the first 10 laws by revolutionary government (signed by Lenin) forbids gun ownership. Neither did Germans need guns after NSDP got into power in 1930ies and one of the first 10 laws signed by Hitler was the law forbiding gun ownership. Think about it, even after Napoleon did coup de Etat, he also abolished hunting priviledges for non-nobel (that the first republic gave to all citizens) and I bet hicks could no longer own guns as a result. It is funny how the document posted earlier and signed by Lukashenko, spell exactly the same as documents signed by Lenin, Hitler, etc, i.e. government forces could have any guns they want, hicks cannot have any.
Anyhow, lutherquick, you have to admit, that you cannot do in Belarus everything you could in USA plus a lot more - something you claimed. Even if you personally don't care about guns, you have to admit, that you cannot have AK-47 (castrated version compliant with US laws) in Belarus, while you can in USA.
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Belarus doing democracy
Hey Is' ok, and I don't mean to jump on anyone.
Yes, in about 45 of 50 states all Semi-autos are legal....
In about 5 states "Assault weapons" laws restrict to various degrees what kind of rifles you can have. California and New Jerksy are some of the more populated examples of such states.
In Virginia and most other states, you are left to deal with FEDERAL law.
Here is a good example of FEDERAL laws making a wonderful Gun into a Platzin Pisher:
Notice the reciever is USA made and the Barrel is as well.... These recievers are not a well fitting as the Yugo, and the barrel is not Hammer forged...and often needs work...
This is NOT a real Yugoslavian gun.... it is a USA made one... Basicly Republican and Democratic interests have given the USA manufactuers PROTECTION from importation of all the "Kewel" rifles:
Some peole buy a Siaga (Izmash/russian gun) in sporter form, and them "Hot rod" it back to original configuration:
If you want a USA made Ar-15, they are about 700 USD and up...not a bad price, but not such a great gun IMHO. _________________ With Love to all, and Malice to none.
"A people is conquered not when they lose a war, but when they adopt the song and customs of the enemy"
-Chacham S
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Belarus doing democracy
On a subject of Belarus and elections... I mentioned that Belarus is a lot like Cuba only Cuba has better climate. To be precise Belarus to Russia is what Cuba was to USSR. Once there was a change of power in USSR and USSR disintegrated, everybody forgot about Cuba and Cuba was left to its own devices. Now, what would happen to Lukashenko's Belarus if there would be change of power in Russia after 2008 elections? What would happen to Lukashenko's Belarus when there would be change of power in Russia? and there would be change of power in Russia sooner or later even if not as a result of 2008 elections.
Reading Russian press after Belarusian elections I came across very good epitet - "Belarus is like a suitcase without a handle - too inconvinient to carry, to valuable to ditch"... I wonder how long would inconvinience be worth the content? With Cuba we have historic precedence that it doesn't last long.
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Belarus doing democracy
[quote="Russian_Cowboy"]
lutherquick wrote:
Russian_Cowboy,
Oh, that means that the US told Yeltsin to start the Chechen war in 1995? Interesting... BTW, I can prove that now Russia is a puppet of China. For example, China got all Russia's military and space technologies for almost free.
No way China owns Russia, they're a basket case over there themselves! addicted to selling cheap rubbish to the west just as badly as we are to cheap oil, even worse they've tried to build a carbon copy of our dead end lifestyle and are now trying to keep it going without the energy problems wrecking the rest of their economy. Unlike them we don't have the declining water resources, declining food production, massive polution and huge population to worry about here. As badly prepared as Europe is its a paradise compared to China.
Just look at the energy deals they are spinning, Russia's playing them like a two bit fiddle off against Japan for a start - now both countries are desperately paying for billions of dollars worth of pipelines to be built just for the privelege of being able to pay Russia for its energy.
As for technology I've not looking into the latest news, but I do know that up to a few years ago all that Russia would sell were export versions of its equipment - although China is a favoured customer and had access to good quality equipment. The Chinese did prefer to built their own grey versions via licensed production - I guess this will continue. And these days Russia lacks the desperation it used to have regarding foriegn money so I doubt anything has changed.
Lastly, whereas back in 99 while Yeltsin was still hanging around Russia started its military exercises in the west as Putin/Primakov started to take over. Now all the exercises are in the east - I think they are well aware of where the next threat to their nation comes from - a potentially desperate neighbour.
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