I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Joined: Jan 18, 2006 Posts: 13 Location: Corvallis, OR
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:58 am Post subject: Re: The very best energy savings technology on the planet...
Quick correction: China DOES NOT have a one child policy in place anymore.
Reducing population growth rates to 0% would NOT result in 9 billion people by 2050. The global population growth rate is (Birth Rate) minus (Death Rate). A 0% growth rate = stable population--no increases or decreases.
While we are obviously all concerned about feeding 6-9 billion people in a post oil world, the implications of a massive die off (whether by disease, war, famine, or aliens) are pretty severe for those who survive. If you think the world economy is f-ed up right now, just wait until we lose 1/3 of our planet's population.
Don't get me wrong--I'm all for it (there is no other way to limit our consumption)--we just have to think about the ramifications.
Joined: Oct 12, 2004 Posts: 1647 Location: Davis, California
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:02 am Post subject: Re: The very best energy savings technology on the planet...
Seth wrote:
Quick correction: China DOES NOT have a one child policy in place anymore.
Reducing population growth rates to 0% would NOT result in 9 billion people by 2050. The global population growth rate is (Birth Rate) minus (Death Rate). A 0% growth rate = stable population--no increases or decreases.
While we are obviously all concerned about feeding 6-9 billion people in a post oil world, the implications of a massive die off (whether by disease, war, famine, or aliens) are pretty severe for those who survive. If you think the world economy is f-ed up right now, just wait until we lose 1/3 of our planet's population.
Don't get me wrong--I'm all for it (there is no other way to limit our consumption)--we just have to think about the ramifications.
A 0% population growth will yield about 7-8 (depending on who's numbers you believe) billion in 2050. THis is because there is an assload of 12-16 year olds waiting in the wings and the older folks just don't die the way they used to. _________________ Joseph Stalin "It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. "
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: Re: The very best energy savings technology on the planet...
0mar wrote:
A 0% population growth will yield about 7-8 (depending on who's numbers you believe) billion in 2050. THis is because there is an assload of 12-16 year olds waiting in the wings and the older folks just don't die the way they used to.
No, 0% population growth, by definition, would lead to leaving the population just as it is now. What would increase the population is a policy of 2 children per woman, that would eventually lead to 0% population growth, but in the meantime, current children would become adults.
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 362 Location: Vegas, America's cloaca
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: Re: The very best energy savings technology on the planet...
Go Forth and Multiply, my children!
Yeaaah, religion .... it just sucks, doesn't it? I saw this rant against it yesterday, loved it:
Someone wrote:
Years ago, not too long before my time, a great man wrote a great song. His name was John Lennon and that song was called “Imagine”. In it was a line that resonates with just as much truth today as it did during the times it was written in.
That line was, “Imagine no religion”.
John was eventually killed for his ideas, but many more have been killed because we didn’t listen.
Take a look around. If people woke up tomorrow and realized that more than half of what they hold sacred is nothing but superstitious bullshit and that no matter how you look at it we are all in this together, over half of the violence in this world would cease instantly. It is far past the time for all of us to admit the truth, which is that none of us have even the remotest idea what might happen when we die.
Everywhere you look there are religious crackpots telling us how to live our lives. I think these people need a good kicking. That goes for every pastor, priest, prophet, rabbi, and whatever else they call themselves in this world. These people are the enemies of peace and all else that is good in this world. They remind us of this every few years when they make sure that a war breaks out somewhere in the world because someone else doesn’t believe the same as they do.
I am sick and tired of people crying over cartoons, bothering me at my house to preach to me, trying to teach our kids religious beliefs in our schools, and generally just being really f**king annoying over a subject that is so farking stupid. Here is an idea, why don’t you forget about what might happen when you die and just live your life? That way, whatever happens, you will know that you had fun with the small amount of time you were allotted here on Earth.
Life in itself is a reward for being born. If there is nothing after it, the whole thing would have still been well worth it. We need to act as though there is no higher purpose and our only reason of being here is to make the world a better place for us.
Until we can all realize that, this thing called religion will continue to destroy us.
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: The very best energy savings technology on the planet...
The picture of the condom on the original post should be replaced with the picture of a hand and mouth. Remember that condoms, when used properly, sometimes fail; when they are used improperly, they fail much more frequently.
Even the biggest of bumbling, incompetant dipshits can't stroke, gobble and suck their way to pregnancy. And you won't even have to mass produce these silly dickwraps that can't be relied on to withstand abuse.
Condoms or bullets? Fark that. It's mouth/hand play or bullets. And, hey, maybe there can be some kind of sexual use for bullets for those that might find that idea interesting.
So about this religion stuff...is this just including the dominant religions that are just extensions of a suicide culture that destroys soil and shits in drinking water? I could easily say that consumerism or any other ism is a religion of some kind, and also keep in mind that there are some religions that are more focused on stewardship, though they don't compare in size to The Swarm.
I agree with Nik That it will be assholes that will cause all the trouble. The crazy Fark who were normally killed in "hunting accidents," and, of course, the stereotypical cross, crescent, or whatever-the-Fark-bearing, mouth-foaming, bloody-eyed crazies. Both are assholes, and I think arguing who will be worse is like trying to polish a piece of crap. Hopefully they'll all die soon and do so as quitely and eco-friendly as possible.
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the best energy savings technology on the planet.... is no technology at all.
Except for maybe trails, gardening, and composting.
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: The very best energy savings technology on the planet...
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God's creatures made trails before man, the Garden existed and had every fruit before man arrived, leaves and plants fell to the ground composting naturally.
Indeed. Of course, in the context of the world today, where the bad guys destroyed just about everything, I was thinking that the technologies I mentioned can be used to do save energy, and in some cases, do things faster than how it is normally done.
Foliage falls to the ground and stuff decomposes, yes, but it would normally take hundreds of years for about one inch of humus to be produced by that process, if I recall correctly. With composting today, it is easy to find stuff that can be composted and turned into humus in months. Of course, there were no food scraps and other crap before people were around, but right now there is, and I think it ought to be used to expedite what naturally happens.
And, you know, now that I think about it, I don't think technology is a uniquely human thing. Animals make trails which lead to important areas, birds and wasps make nests, and some ants build layers of mud around feasting aphids during cold weather, so the aphids are warm, and the ants can get their aphid ass juice. Otters use rocks to smash open some kind of shellfish.
Joined: May 24, 2004 Posts: 3429 Location: California, USA
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:45 am Post subject: Re: The very best energy savings technology on the planet...
"...hand and mouth..." Good one, Itch! Exactly right on target.
Clinton's health secretary made a mild reference to masturbation as safe sex in the age of AIDS, and got fired for it, such are the prejudices. She should have gotten a medal.
Meanwhile, it's not just Indians and Chinese, but also Middle Easterners who are multiplying like little mice. Nor are we in the West innocent; the average American = 10 average peole in India in terms of consumption.
So yes, masturbate your way to peace & sustainability. It's one of the few things in life that are free.
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