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Zardoz
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 Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: We're all in real trouble. |
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The speed with which all this has come upon us was not predicted by any of the climate models. This planet has had all it can take from us, and it's not going to stand for it any more. We're about to get our butts thoroughly and severely kicked:
Be worried, be very worried |
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Leanan
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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Yes, it really is alarming, how fast the climate seems to be changing. Seems like every study that comes out finds it's happening more suddenly and will be more drastic than they ever realized.
Global warming really puts a crimp in PO planning, too. All those nice, old cities with plenty of public transportation...on the coasts, where they'll be vulnerable to rising sea levels. Our oil and gas industry, based in Houston and New Orleands, both low-lying cities on the Gulf Coast, vulnerable to rising sea levels and increasing hurricanes. Never mind what climate change is going to do to water supplies, crop production, etc.
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EnviroEngr
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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We are coming to the growing realization that we have been under the pall of Gantô's Ax for some time.
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albente
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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| What would you do if you knew about this for quite some time and if all man made power would be in your hands? |
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Shadizar
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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I only hope that one day we'll realize that we're only a small part of this world. The earth is exactly like a terarium. In that sense we must keep it in balance.
I hope one day we'll get off this world, but not before we come to the realization that we are a part of this world, not its conquerers. Otherwise we'll just be a plague to the universe.
I'm trying to do my part, but I'm far from it. I think it will take a horrific environmental event to make humanity realize this. Politics, economics, and plain human optomisim is the greatest barrier.
I'm no exception.
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MountainHiker
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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The thing I've tried to explain to those folks I encounter who refuse to believe in global warming or peak oil is: these problems have no political ideology.
Most folks I've encountered who deny these things are conservatives who often have this attitude that global warming and/or Peak Oil are near communist plots to destroy they way of life. They seem to believe that all scientific proofs are part of the plot too.
Personally, I have given up any hope of the US heading off any pending catasrophes at the national, or even state levels. Only once we've been hammered really good will the people decide to wake up and react to what has happened, let alone take worthwhile precautionary measures.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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Is there any point in doing anything.......I feel totally unmotivated.......devastated actually.........where to from here?
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Zardoz
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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| americandream wrote: | | Is there any point in doing anything.......I feel totally unmotivated.......devastated actually.........where to from here? |
Welcome to the club.
Is this retrievable, or is Lovelock right? What sort of a global effort would it take to reverse this?
If the climatologists were so far off on the chronology of when this would go down, are they also way off on the effects? Will we see far worse effects than they have been predicting? Have they been way too optimistic on that, too? |
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TITAN
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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| Zardoz wrote: | | americandream wrote: | | Is there any point in doing anything.......I feel totally unmotivated.......devastated actually.........where to from here? |
Welcome to the club.
Is this retrievable, or is Lovelock right? What sort of a global effort would it take to reverse this?
If the climatologists were so far off on the chronology of when this would go down, are they also way off on the effects? Will we see far worse effects than they have been predicting? Have they been way too optimistic on that, too? |
It seems like every time scientists make a prediction, it is always way too optimistic. 15 years ago they said we weren't going to have to deal with this for hundreds if not a thousand years. 10 years ago it was knocked down to 100-200 years. 5 years ago it was 75-100 years. And now most of them are saying it may be 50 years. I think we have, at most, 5-10 years before things get really bad/weird. I just hope it's not so gradual, that nothing serious is done about it...
Strangely and maybe ironically, I think this planet hit some type of climate tipping point right around the same time oil peaked; late 2004...
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Shadizar
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:59 pm Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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| americandream wrote: | | Is there any point in doing anything.......I feel totally unmotivated.......devastated actually.........where to from here? |
In all honesty I've come to the same conclusion as Matt Savinar. I'm a college student. I majored in Psychology (how useless is that). However, I have optomism that smaller groups of people can flourish. Global trade is doomed I think. We may (I hope) have more localized trade and even bastions of technology. The rich will survive, in one way or another.
I hope to at least aquire the knowledge to set up a local area of energy sustainability. This does require a larger effort to produce sustainable energy locally. I don't know if that will happen. It would take a lot.
From a psychology degree I'll go into electricity, to set up sustainable energy sources. If I can manage it I'll stockpile some solar panels, etc....
If we don't go down an economic drain I'll fourish. If we do (which I personally think we will) I'll still have usefull skills.
There are so many variables no one will be safe. Hopefully we don't collapse. There is a small degree of hope, and I think if you don't consider that, you will fall into depression and ruin. Think locally for all long term plans.
My plan may falter, but its better than giving up to destruction (and the rich will still demand things).
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MattSavinar
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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| MountainHiker wrote: | The thing I've tried to explain to those folks I encounter who refuse to believe in global warming or peak oil is: these problems have no political ideology.
Most folks I've encountered who deny these things are conservatives who often have this attitude that global warming and/or Peak Oil are near communist plots to destroy they way of life. They seem to believe that all scientific proofs are part of the plot too.
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Yeah, all that hoopla and stuff on television last fall about a major american city submerged under water was a rouse by them damn commies and their homosexual agents in the liberal media!!!
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Sys1
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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Titan said "It seems like every time scientists make a prediction, it is always way too optimistic."
Well, there are also some scientists with really gloom predictions. Here Stephen Hawking :
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/072004_global_climate3.shtml
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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Anthropomorphics aside, this is yet another case of, if ya don't understand how it works, don't Fark with it. Stupid humans... 
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Zardoz
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:50 am Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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"The Permian Extinction should be widely understood as an ominous lesson in the danger of global warming. We need to pay particular attention to the temperature rise which caused these runaway feedback mechanisms to kick in: 6º C. Back in the first installment of this series on global climate change, we looked at a report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) which stated that the average global surface temperature will increase by between 1.4º and 5.8º C during the next century. This would compound the increase of 0.6º C that has already occurred during the past century. So, according to this report, the temperature could rise by as much as 6.4º C by the year 2100. And that estimate is on the conservative side; it is possible that temperatures could increase by much more than 6.4º C.
"The warning lights should be going off all over. A temperature increase of 6.4º C would put us well beyond the threshold for runaway global warming. Could mankind be gearing up to perpetrate the greatest extinction on this planet since the end of the Permian Era?"
My God. Are we now on our way to that, and at breakneck speed? This is like a bad movie script or something... |
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pstarr
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:08 am Post subject: Re: We're all in real trouble. |
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The first complete ignoramous to lead this country was Ronald Reagan. After him Bush 1 was merely an idiot. Clinton was a horned toad. Bush 2 is a complete ignoramous. Complete ignoramouses don't care what you think and so, there is no justice.
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