Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject: Is Iraq Just a Post-Oil Training Ground?
Behind the stories of very personalized death and civil war (click for today's latest in NY Times) in Iraq, we can see the truth revealing itself to us. None of us dare whisper this fearsome truth because to do so may bring the reality into our unprepared mind. If you dare whisper, you say: "Iraq is the training ground. We are the target."
The US is preparing for how to consolidate power when the peak oil dieoff starts in earnest. Look: 14 permanent and hardened military bases and fomenting racial strife towards an instigated civil war. What else do you need to see?
This is the future of America if we don't get a clue and stop this madness of "pre-emptive war". We are killing Iraq for oil and this crime will come back to haunt us. There is no "support the troops" about occupying a country and turning it into civil war. We will pay for this.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Is Iraq Just a Post-Oil Training Ground?
LOL. Yep. Splitting a country along racial/sectarian lines and starting a civil war sounds like an excellent way to manage post peak chaos.
Good lord. I think some rationing along with central oversight to ensure that resources are allocated according to their long term utility instead of their short term profit is probably what most governments are preparing for. Iraq is the tail end of of long convoluted process that began with the industrial era. IMHO hardly the harbinger of things to come.
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:28 am Post subject: Re: Is Iraq Just a Post-Oil Training Ground?
There are no more excuses! Good, albeit difficult posting, directinfo. The US people have been insulated from much of this-at their peril.
People! please read Robert Fisk's (http://www.robert-fisk.com/) non-imbedded reportings from Iraq.
The hardest part is accepting how natural resource wars kill innocent people who get in the way of securing said resources.
Yet we muddle along with gold prices, natural gas depletions, bird flu and other intangible thoughts to avoid dealing with the absolute truth that our tax dollars are killing those unfortunate enough to live in an oil-bearing region.
I feel SICK.
cynthia
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Is Iraq Just a Post-Oil Training Ground?
No worries folks, the US will fail, the US is failing...
The track record is a clear indication of the future...
There will be peace as the world slides down peak oil's down slope...
As long as American hegemony continues to inflate and fail, as long as America war machine continues to fail, as long as American foriegn policy continues to be so delusional... then America will fail to annex the world.
Time will tell, but my guess, is that Bush is as sure about American future as he is about wmd or peace in Iraq.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Is Iraq Just a Post-Oil Training Ground?
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fomenting racial strife towards an instigated civil war
Oh come on. You can't hang that on the Americans. Racial strife is found to some degree anywhere where you have more than one racial group. Civil wars are hardly uncommon either. Are the Americans responsible for all of them?
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Is Iraq Just a Post-Oil Training Ground?
Chocky wrote:
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fomenting racial strife towards an instigated civil war
Oh come on. You can't hang that on the Americans. Racial strife is found to some degree anywhere where you have more than one racial group. Civil wars are hardly uncommon either. Are the Americans responsible for all of them?
No, I didn't say that. But I believe that the US is clearlyl responsible for the civil war in Iraq, and many believe are also instigating the one in Iraq. Certainly the US has most to benefit from civil war if keeping oil is their goal using a small number of unpopular troops. Certaingly the US is structurally organized to secure the territory of Iraq amidst any civil war that just happens to come along.
The Middle East was the first target, America is next. Society in the US is being structured for civil war in the US. Notice that even the "opposing" party in the US can't say that illegal immigration is illegal? What other country functions like that?
Iraq is the training ground for how the US will handle their own homegrown civil war.
Why?
First of all, I don't know why. I just observe facts and indicators and listen to credible alternative (not mainstream) views.
The elites print our money and instigate boom-busts. This is happening again now. In the boom, they make money on debt. In busts, they make money on war. No big secret there. Both sides of every war in the 20th century were financed the these same people. By the way, the Bush cartel financed Hitler DURING the war. During... Get it? That is their game. Simple, really.
So here is the theory then...
Elites want the energy and the territory and the power. They have wargamed this out in thousands of different ways. The best outcome for them is controlled chaos. The worst outcome for them is a resource starved revolution or a peaceful sharing of depleting resources. The dieoff / dieback is coming with or without instigation and planning from government. The easiest way to instigate a dieoff BEFORE we use up the remaining resouces and BEFORE we tear down the carrying capacity of the earth is to follow the Iraq model. Divide and conquer, the oldest model of war strategy and the only way that a small number of elites can control the outcome of the war.
According to the indicators like the black ops bombing of mosques, and black ops Nick Berg beheading, and black ops car bombs, and black ops shooting of innocent civilians, civil war instigation seems to be the preferred method of controlling resources with 14 "permanent" hardened military bases and a hated foreign occupational force. When I say black ops above, I mean that a small criminal military force (black ops) do the bidding of higher ups by instigating civil war in a number of ways. The whole US governement is not to blame except for being blind. Black operations is as old as millitary strategy and it is the way to foment divide and conquer strategies. They are caught red handed a number of times doing all the stuff I mentioned above but then the press conveniently forgets and Americans forget too.
Anyway, the record of black ops civil war instigation from the US side is there for anyone to see. Black ops is part of the Iraq war record. The "why" is the only remaining question.
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Is Iraq Just a Post-Oil Training Ground?
Ok, that doesn't sound too bad. I can see how the US might have an interest in keeping Iraq in a state of perpetual chaos. And it certainly wouldn't be difficult to start, escalate and continue a civil war there.
But don't you think, as an alternative theory, that there is sufficient sectarian and ethnic hatred for the Iraqis to have a civil war all by themselves, without the direct involvement of the Americans in starting that civil war?
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Is Iraq Just a Post-Oil Training Ground?
Chocky wrote:
Ok, that doesn't sound too bad. I can see how the US might have an interest in keeping Iraq in a state of perpetual chaos. And it certainly wouldn't be difficult to start, escalate and continue a civil war there.
But don't you think, as an alternative theory, that there is sufficient sectarian and ethnic hatred for the Iraqis to have a civil war all by themselves, without the direct involvement of the Americans in starting that civil war?
I get your point.
However, the two ideas don't have to be separate. In fact, the natural divisions in society simply make black ops possible. The black ops can't do it all. They can only instigate civil war, not make it from scratch. Like startiing a forest fire, you need to start with a dry forest and some matches. Without the dry forest, no fire. Iraq is a dry forest and black ops are lighting matches.
Here are some sources for closer investigation:
Iraqi Probe into British Black Ops - Citing reports in BBC and Council on Foreign Relations, Alex Jones and Paul Watson pin the blame on special ops for instigating terror in Iraq.
So black ops guys are dressed up as Arabs and armed to the teeth. That's not to say that some Arabs aren't also armed to the teeth, but why special ops guys? Because it is their job to deceive the public and pin the blame of terror on the other guys. They train for that stuff.
Now check this out... you won't believe your eyes...
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Khadduri's report went like this:
"A few days ago, an American manned check point confiscated the driver license of a driver and told him to report to an American military camp near Baghdad airport for interrogation and in order to retrieve his license. The next day, the driver did visit the camp and he was allowed in the camp with his car. He was admitted to a room for an interrogation that lasted half an hour. At the end of the session, the American interrogator told him: 'OK, there is nothing against you, but you do know that Iraq is now sovereign and is in charge of its own affairs. Hence, we have forwarded your papers and license to al-Kadhimia police station for processing. Therefore, go there with this clearance to reclaim your license. At the police station, ask for Lt. Hussain Mohammed, who is waiting for you now. Go there now quickly, before he leaves his shift work".
The driver did leave in a hurry, but was soon alarmed with a feeling that his car was driving as if carrying a heavy load, and he also became suspicious of a low flying helicopter that kept hovering overhead, as if trailing him. He stopped the car and inspected it carefully. He found nearly 100 kilograms of explosives hidden in the back seat and along the two back doors.
The only feasible explanation for this incident is that the car was indeed booby trapped by the Americans and intended for the al-Khadimiya Shiite district of Baghdad. The helicopter was monitoring his movement and witnessing the anticipated "hideous attack by foreign elements".
The same scenario was repeated in Mosul, in the north of Iraq. A car was confiscated along with the driver's license. He did follow up on the matter and finally reclaimed his car but was told to go to a police station to reclaim his license. Fortunately for him, the car broke down on the way to the police station. The inspecting car mechanic discovered that the spare tire was fully laden with explosives."
If this were the only example of this type I heard, I might have let it pass as just a story. But it wasn't.
There was also the sorry tale of the Iraqi man who saw American soldiers plant a bomb which shortly thereafter exploded, and when he said so out loud for all to hear, he was hauled away, never to be seen again.
This story was reported on arguably the most authentic and riveting source of news from Iraq, the heart-rending "Baghdad Burning: Girl Blog from Iraq," which is compiled by someone known only as Riverbend or Iraqi Girl. Again, recommended reading.
She recounts,
"the last two weeks have been violent .... The number of explosions in Baghdad alone is frightening. There have also been several assassinations - bodies being found here and there. It's somewhat disturbing to know that corpses are turning up in the most unexpected places. Many people will tell you its not wise to eat river fish anymore because they have been nourished on the human remains being dumped into the river. That thought alone has given me more than one sleepless night. It is almost as if Baghdad has turned into a giant graveyard.
The latest corpses were those of some Sunni and Shia clerics - several of them well-known. People are being patient and there is a general consensus that these killings are being done to provoke civil war. Also worrisome is the fact that we are hearing of people being rounded up by security forces (Iraqi) and then being found dead days later - apparently when the new Iraqi government recently decided to reinstate the death penalty, they had something else in mind.
But back to the explosions. One of the larger blasts was in an area called Ma'moun, which is a middle class area located in west Baghdad. It's a relatively calm residential area with shops that provide the basics and a bit more. It happened in the morning, as the shops were opening up for their daily business and it occurred right in front of a butcher's shop. Immediately after, we heard that a man living in a house in front of the blast site was hauled off by the Americans because it was said that after the bomb went off, he sniped an Iraqi National Guardsman.
I didn't think much about the story - nothing about it stood out: an explosion and a sniper - hardly an anomaly. The interesting news started circulating a couple of days later. People from the area claim that the man was taken away not because he shot anyone, but because he knew too much about the bomb. Rumor has it that he saw an American patrol passing through the area and pausing at the bomb site minutes before the explosion. Soon after they drove away, the bomb went off and chaos ensued. He ran out of his house screaming to the neighbors and bystanders that the Americans had either planted the bomb or seen the bomb and done nothing about it. He was promptly taken away.
The bombs are mysterious. Some of them explode in the midst of National Guard and near American troops or Iraqi Police and others explode near mosques, churches, and shops or in the middle of sougs. One thing that surprises us about the news reports of these bombs is that they are inevitably linked to suicide bombers. The reality is that some of these bombs are not suicide bombs - they are car bombs that are either being remotely detonated or maybe time bombs. All we know is that the techniques differ and apparently so do the intentions. Some will tell you they are resistance. Some say Chalabi and his thugs are responsible for a number of them. Others blame Iran and the SCIRI militia Badir.
In any case, they are terrifying. If you're close enough, the first sound is a that of an earsplitting blast and the sounds that follow are of a rain of glass, shrapnel and other sharp things. Then the wails begin - the shrill mechanical wails of an occasional ambulance combined with the wail of car alarms from neighboring vehiclesЉ and finally the wail of people trying to sort out their dead and dying from the debris.
Then there was this one.
On May 13, 2005, a 64 years old Iraqi farmer, Haj Haidar Abu Sijjad, took his tomato load in his pickup truck from Hilla to Baghdad, accompanied by Ali, his 11 years old grandson. They were stopped at an American check point and were asked to dismount. An American soldier climbed on the back of the pickup truck, followed by another a few minutes later, and thoroughly inspected the tomato filled plastic containers for about 10 minutes. Haj Haidar and his grandson were then allowed to proceed to Baghdad.
A minute later, his grandson told him that he saw one of the American soldiers putting a grey melon size object in the back among the tomato containers. The Haj immediately slammed on the brakes and stopped the car at the side of the road, at a relatively far distance from the check point. He found a time bomb with the clock ticking tucked among his tomatoes. He immediately recognized it, as he was an ex-army soldier. Panicking, he grabbed his grandson and ran away from the car. Then, realizing that the car was his only means of work, he went back, took the bomb and carried it in fear. He threw it in a deep ditch by the side of the road that was dug by Iraqi soldiers in preparation for the war, two years ago.
Upon returning from Baghdad, he found out that the bomb had indeed exploded, killing three sheep and injuring their shepherd in his head. He thanked God for giving him the courage to go back and remove the bomb, and for the luck in that the American soldiers did not notice his sudden stop at a distance and his getting rid of the bomb.
"They intended it to explode in Baghdad and claim that it is the work of the 'terrorists', or 'insurgents' or who call themselves the 'Resistance'.
I decided to expose them and asked your reporter to take me to Baghdad to tell you the story. They are to be exposed as they now want to sow strife in Iraq and taint the Resistance after failing to defeat it militarily.
Do not forget to mention my name. I fear nobody but God, as I am a follower of Muqtada al-Sadir."
US behind car bombings - US has been caught on numerous time putting bombs into cars. Then they just detonate them and what do you think happens to the poor family of the poor guy that just blew up his car in a crowded market or mosque? Well, black ops would do something like that and the occupation would strategically benefit from all that confusion between segments of society. They wargame this stuff continuously.
Remember Nick Berg? Wasn't he about the first beheading of a Westerner in Iraq? And wasn't it strange that his head was chopped off right as the Abu Garib torture jail was getting all of that Western press? Kinda took our Western minds off the ball for a while didn't it?
Unanswered questions of Nick Berg's murder - Prior to being beheaded, Nick was in US custody. And there are about 50 indicators out there that seem to indicate that black ops carried out this false flag act, kinda like 911 in NY and 77 in London... and a few car bombs here and there, what the heck? Commit a horrendous crime and blame it on the opposite side to sell weapons and get control over the population in exchange for "security". Same story again and again.
Here is a link for the actual trophy video. Very important proof that maniacs are in Iraq and they are on "our side", terrorizing innocent Iraqis and laughing about it. Enough said. http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/11/27.html#a6076
If the link is down, just search: trophy video iraq
The idea that we should accept big brother government's side of the story without suspicion and proof is ridiculous. The ones with the means, motive and opportunity is always the one to look at first.
In ancient Rome, citizens grew so tired of government intrigues that they learned to ask "qui bono?" Who benefits?
Why don't we ask "Who Benefits?" first, and look at the government's story more critically?
I agree with Charlie Sheen who said a week ago on CNN's Showbiz Tonight:
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"We`re not the conspiracy theorists on this particular issue, you know. It seems to me like, you know, 19 amateurs with box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75 percent of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory."
Now what have we come to as a society when it takes the bad boy of Hollywood to make sense of the whole 911 thing before the mainstream journalists, politicians, investigators, secret service? (although a few of them have come out against the official line and more so every month).
In the face of big oppressive government, we have a dumbed down society that is afraid or unconcerned to ask for proof of government official stories. The bare facts are that our government instigates wars and makes money on wars.
Time is short for us because Peak Oil is forcing them to consolidate power over us now like never before.
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