Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: Draft dodging
Whats the best way to avoid the draft? How does the draft work anyway? Do they physically make you join the army? I am 16 now. I should be turning 18 right about the time the US decides to take over the middle east.
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: Draft dodging
Start here. Try googling "draft resistance" and follow the links from there (when I googled it a few minutes ago, +18 million hits came up). Find your local Quaker meeting house and start going. Talk to them about your pacifist views. The earlier you do this, the easier it will be to get yourself labeled a conscientious objector, a label which is a good thing. If you don't mind not getting financial aid, among other things, don't register for selective service. I know there is a web page out there that talks about that. Probably on the first page or two of the previously mentioned "draft resistance" google. Educate yourself.
Oh, and don't call it draft DODGING. It's draft RESISTANCE. Resistance is NEVER futile!
Joined: May 24, 2004 Posts: 3429 Location: California, USA
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Draft dodging
Obviously if you're concerned about it at age 16, you're probably thinking that warfare in general violates a principle you hold that is either religious in nature or is equivalent to a religious principle in your life. That is the key qualification, by the way, for conscientious objector status.
Those who serve are honorable; those who don't because they are truly pacifists are honorable. But those who merely evade are dishonorable; after all, Five-Deferment Dick (Cheney) only made VP and could never get himself elected President.
Joined: Oct 26, 2004 Posts: 305 Location: US Empire
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Draft dodging
gg3 wrote:
Those who serve are honorable; those who don't because they are truly pacifists are honorable. But those who merely evade are dishonorable...
I'm calling you out.
Killing has been called 'necessary' so often, by so many, with such a plethora of usefully conniving excuses that we forget that it is wrong. And by wrong I mean evil, Fark, malicious, incomprehensible, subhuman, pathetic, cowardly, unimaginable, and inhuman.
There is no such thing as an honorable way to kill people, you brainwashed monster.
G$ _________________ Gary Malcolm
US Empire
There is no alternative source for our gluttony. Power down or die.
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Joined: Aug 19, 2004 Posts: 1786 Location: Republic of Texas
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Draft dodging
bike756 wrote:
Whats the best way to avoid the draft?
The best way is to personally work to convince voters there should be no war necessitating a draft. Those voters can pressure their elected representatives not to engage in a war.
If you are unwilling to work within the political processes of the United States and accept the result whether you agree with it or not, you should not be a citizen of the United States.
You should renounce your US citizenship and throw your lot in with a different country. You should do it as soon as possible. _________________ Conform . Consume . Obey .
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Joined: May 24, 2004 Posts: 3429 Location: California, USA
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Draft dodging
Gary, I'm surprised at you! You barely know me, and you're calling me a brainwashed monster. You could at least start by introducing yourself properly before taking your clothes off.
How'bout you tell all of us what, exactly, in my posting, makes me a brainwashed monster?
And I have another question for you. What happens to a society composed entirely of total pacifists, i.e. a society whose people won't even fight to save their own lives from direct armed attack?
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Draft dodging
TommyJefferson wrote:
bike756 wrote:
Whats the best way to avoid the draft?
The best way is to personally work to convince voters there should be no war necessitating a draft. Those voters can pressure their elected representatives not to engage in a war.
If you are unwilling to work within the political processes of the United States and accept the result whether you agree with it or not, you should not be a citizen of the United States.
You should renounce your US citizenship and throw your lot in with a different country. You should do it as soon as possible.
people always talk about this... but how exactly would you go about doing that?
i know a few expats. but they are still US citizens.
not exactly sure what your hyperbole is about though. realistically it is friends and family that keep us where we are... not allegiance to country.
Joined: May 24, 2004 Posts: 3429 Location: California, USA
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Draft dodging
I have to disagree with TJ's hyperbole about leaving the US.
You do not want to be in a country where you do not have citizenship, when the crap starts to slide. And even adopted citizenship is a vulnerability under certain conditions; look at the waves of anti-immigrant bigotry that occur in the US under normal conditions, and extrapolate to other countries during a generalized system crash.
Stay here, work your butt off for political change, take a principled stand, and at the same time don't make yourself a martyr.
One thing you can do to start is, find two of your friends who are of voting age but aren't registered, and get them registered. Then engage them in discussions about candidates and issues, and do your best to educate them. On election day, drive them to the polls and then take them out for a burger or whatever. Do this every year. In 2008 you'll be of voting age. Keep doing it. And if each of the people you reach, in turn registers two more voters every year, that will start to add up.
You have to operate on faith to a degree, that the civic action you're engaged in, is a microcosm of a larger trend. But this is a safe assumption; the causes that motivate you to act also motivate others to act similarly. Find them, find your strength, and find a place to make a difference.
Joined: Aug 19, 2004 Posts: 1786 Location: Republic of Texas
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Draft dodging
gg3 wrote:
On election day, drive them to the polls and then take them out for a burger or whatever. Do this every year.
Well said GG3. Good post!
It is unfair and unjust for people to enjoy the benefits of membership in our nation, yet be unwilling to bare the costs.
Hyperbole aside, the first step to renouncing citizenship is to exit our country. You can't do it while still in-country. _________________ Conform . Consume . Obey .
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