Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject: Kiwis: I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in you guys!
political correctness run TOTALLY amok! i really hope that the citizens of government of New Zealand come out en masse and tell this "historian" to STFU!
A ruse that helped to win a soldier the Victoria Cross during the Second World War was a "war crime" and New Zealand should apologise to the families of the snipers he killed, it was claimed yesterday.
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Lt Col Glyn Harper, a professor at the New Zealand army's Military Studies Institute, who co-authored the book, In the Face of the Enemy, said that on one occasion Sgt Hulme donned a German paratrooper's smock, climbed up behind a nest of enemy snipers, and pretended to be part of their group.
"He shot the leader first, and as the other four snipers looked around to see where the shot had come from, Hulme also turned his head as if searching for the shooter," the book says.
"Then he shot and killed two more." He shot the other two as they tried to leave.
"Hulme deserved the VC for his outstanding bravery, but he shouldn't have done what he did in disguising himself
War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength. And we call our national heroes war criminals? WTF?
Joined: Nov 15, 2005 Posts: 156 Location: New Zealand
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: Kiwis: I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in you guys!
What, all of us? I suppose it is against the rules of war, but it's the kind of thing that both sides would have done given the opportunity. It makes Sgt Hulme even braver as if he'd been caught he would have been shot as a "spy" because he was wearing a German uniform. I personally don't think of it as a war crime, though I guess it was against the rules. But I don't think every broken war rule should be accompanied by the shout of "war crime". I think history, like other things, goes through trends. I don't think it's nice to shout out "war crimes" against Sgt Hulme though.
Joined: Oct 12, 2004 Posts: 1647 Location: Davis, California
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Kiwis: I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in you guys!
damn, what a bad ass.
How is that a war crime? This is farking war! Not picking daisies or playing touch football... _________________ Joseph Stalin "It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. "
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Kiwis: I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in you guys!
This is the kind of sh..t that makes me cry. In the next real war the west has to fight, half the casualties at the start are going to be because, we are trying to fight while observing national health and safety regulations as well as fighting PC. The other guys are going to have a field day until we cop on to ourselves.
That Kiwi guy is a true hero. He was taking out snipers, the most feared men on the battlefield using his initiative. If they had tried to surrender and then he shot them - that would be a war crime. _________________ www.askaboutenergy.com
Joined: Dec 04, 2004 Posts: 2415 Location: perpetual state of exhaustion
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Kiwis: I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in you guys!
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If they had tried to surrender and then he shot them - that would be a war crime.
Too right!
What a bunch of pansies we've become! Having to appologise for every little thing, sheesh! This is one of the biggest jokes I've heard yet. Kiwis Rule!
Joined: Mar 31, 2006 Posts: 108 Location: Arlington TX
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Kiwis: I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in you guys!
Madpaddy wrote:
In the next real war the west has to fight, half the casualties at the start are going to be because, we are trying to fight while observing national health and safety regulations as well as fighting PC. The other guys are going to have a field day until we cop on to ourselves.
Psst.. Oh, please.. You have been brainwashed by the US WHEEL OF EVIL EMPIRE if you think "we are trying to fight while observing national health and safety regulations as well as fighting PC" is actually true.
Have you heard of EVIL US Soldiers & Guantanamo bay WAR CRIMES?
US Soldiers slaughter entire villages of innocent Iraqi women, children every week becuase of trigger happy killing urges.
You do not have to ever worry about US soldiers being politically correct.
In the Marines they are drilled into their tiny miniscule brains the phrase:
"KILL KILL KILL THEM ALL" "WHAT MAKES THE GRASS GROW?"
"BLOOD"
"BLOOD"
"BLOOD"
"My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will…"
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Kiwis: I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in you guys!
Bochen u dont have to preach to us man.
I know many here want the US to be a nuetral country again and use our Marines to defend the home lands against the hoards. If I am brainwashed then so be it. All corporations and everything about the USA is not evil. Theres a few things I despise. Communism and Capitalism in its present form (which i benefit from!) . also Ecological economics must replace the neo classical paradigm if we want any chance at having peace and sustainability. many things need to be changed but I see your not being de capitated here in the evil USA. or strung up and flayed alive. so be at least happy your in this crap-stem and not another crap-stem. Count your blessings.Thank u.
Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 5315 Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Kiwis: I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in you guys!
The classic three incidents of NZ being accused of war-crimes are:
1. Freyberg bombing the Cassino monastery, this was technically not a war crime per-se, as lives are normally put above property in war. Also he did not have the authority to order it done, he merely requested it.
2. Faenza, again in Italy, where an New Zealand NCO ordered that German prisoners be shot. The circumstances included the NCO just hearing that his brother had been killed.
3. Minquar Qaim, 2Divs break out from encirclement by the Africa Korps, the Germans claimed NZers were bayonetting the wounded.
Regarding the Sgt Mulme mentioned, yes, I'm afraid this is against the rules, ie combatants should be in recognizeable uniforms. _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
Joined: Jul 25, 2004 Posts: 681 Location: Hunter Valley, New South Wales, Australia
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Kiwis: I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in you guys!
Madpaddy wrote:
This is the kind of sh..t that makes me cry. In the next real war the west has to fight, half the casualties at the start are going to be because, we are trying to fight while observing national health and safety regulations as well as fighting PC. The other guys are going to have a field day until we cop on to ourselves.
YUP, Political Correctness is the real crime. As someone said - by putting that smock on he was technically a spy and thus he was likely to be shot on sight by the enemy. It's just the chance he took. Political Correctness will (likely) mean that if the enemy doesn't include a significant cross-section of their own country, then no-one can take 'em on in combat because the crummy courts will not allow action to be taken against a racially selected force.
Oh, well, I guess the judges and lawyers will be the first people the invaders will shoot.
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That Kiwi guy is a true hero. He was taking out snipers, the most feared men on the battlefield using his initiative. If they had tried to surrender and then he shot them - that would be a war crime.
Yes, exactly. It's odd how someone doing this is deemed a war-crime while Pol Pot was never tried for war crimes for his murderous regime in Cambodia...nor good ole thickest-glasses-I've-ever-seen (and roundly hated by Donny Rumsfeld) Henry Kissenger for the bombings he ordered in the last months of the Vietnam War, especially on neutral Cambodia and Laos.
Interestingly, rape is now considered a war-crime, but murder is not. So if you rape someone THEN kill them, that's a war-crime, but if you kill someone then rape them (presumably after they have stopped breathing), that's not a war-crime. Political Correctness was never consistant. _________________ .
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Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 5315 Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Kiwis: I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in you guys!
ubercynicmeister wrote:
Interestingly, rape is now considered a war-crime, but murder is not.
Not according to LOAC, murder is still a crime even in wartime. Killing a combatent is part of war, killing non-combatents is always a crime. A combatent becomes a non-combatent by either being wounded and out of combat, or by surrendering. A wounded enemy who is still shooting is still a combatent. _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
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