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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

HonestPessimist wrote:
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RG73 wrote:
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You should all watch the movie "Mean Girls" to see what teenage American life is like. Smile


A Lindsay Lohan movie will never be an accurate portrayal of American teenage life. Come on now. How can a movie where every teen has tons of money, has everything that comes out of their mouth written by a screenwriter, has perfect skin and great clothes, etc., etc. even begin to be an accurate portrayal of teen life?


Have you ever seen the movie...?

But anyway, I should rephrase, typical attitude of teenagers.


Allow me to rephrase your erroneous assumption: typical attitude of Beverly Hills-type teenagers.


There are THREE "beverly hills types" in that movie. In my school there are a lot more "beverly hills type" people. That movie is one of the best I've seen in what American suburban schools are like (with some satirical exaggerations of course), but maybe you have to watch it to understand, or go to the local middle/high school cafeteria one day.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well, perhaps I hit on retired guy too hard, seems you've been trying to be fairly responsible, it's not about any one person. Maybe you actually do give a crap which is more than I can say for a lot of your cohort, and it's nice your daughter has a bug out option. Ya, Coyote, I'm pissed at boomers (but a certain kind of boomer selfish sellout who doesn't give a crap). Their parents generation are to blame too, and I loved my grandpa very much and he didn't give a crap about the 'environment'. He saw it as a vast empty and dangerous wilderness given to us to be tamed and exploited.

Reality, all the ones who have gone before are responsible and not for wanting better lives ( we all want that ) but for failing to act when they were warned! For failing to notice or care or change. Now we have to figure out how to survive the coming nasty, and I am making preparations. I'm not standing still or looking backward or even looking around pointing fingers. I'm getting on with my day, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for boomers and their farking mercedes, vacation homes and sock portofolios - no one's offering me free land to bug out too.

Maybe I'm jeolous, maybe mad they wrecked such a beautiful thing that belonged to all of us now and in the future. I'm mad they went on a spree with our inheritance and gambled away our future assets and are still! They're having a farking orgy, a farking ORGY, right now on our dollar (seen the markets lately?) and we're gonna have to clean up the party mess without having the fun. When I let myself I can get pretty pissed at them, and I know there are a lot of people in my generation who feel exactly the same way. So when the question is asked - Why are younger Amercians so miserable, why the Fark does that even have to asked? Of course we are and the reasons are plain.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Well, perhaps I hit on retired guy too hard, seems you've been trying to be fairly responsible, it's not about any one person. Maybe you actually do give a crap which is more than I can say for a lot of your cohort, and it's nice your daughter has a bug out option. Ya, Coyote, I'm pissed at boomers (but a certain kind of boomer selfish sellout who doesn't give a crap). Their parents generation are to blame too, and I loved my grandpa very much and he didn't give a crap about the 'environment'. He saw it as a vast empty and dangerous wilderness given to us to be tamed and exploited.

Reality, all the ones who have gone before are responsible and not for wanting better lives ( we all want that ) but for failing to act when they were warned! For failing to notice or care or change. Now we have to figure out how to survive the coming nasty, and I am making preparations. I'm not standing still or looking backward or even looking around pointing fingers. I'm getting on with my day, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for boomers and their farking mercedes, vacation homes and sock portofolios - no one's offering me free land to bug out too.

Maybe I'm jeolous, maybe mad they wrecked such a beautiful thing that belonged to all of us now and in the future. I'm mad they went on a spree with our inheritance and gambled away our future assets and are still! They're having a farking orgy, a farking ORGY, right now on our dollar (seen the markets lately?) and we're gonna have to clean up the party mess without having the fun. When I let myself I can get pretty pissed at them, and I know there are a lot of people in my generation who feel exactly the same way. So when the question is asked - Why are younger Amercians so miserable, why the Fark does that even have to asked? Of course we are and the reasons are plain.


Just because some baby boomer spent some of his easily gotten gain on renewable energy (who wouldn't if you had the money and an IQ high enough to realize this) doesn't mean he is any less accountable then and even now.

Regardless of what these people say they do think they are still entitled to everything they "earnt", they won't give you or me a piece of anything. If crapattack or his friend Zordoz really care, why don't they give me 20K so I can setup a RE system over here, so I can do my bit to save the planet?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:01 am    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Good points Polestar. Fark 'em.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:29 am    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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These greedy bastards used up this beautiful world, squandered it, raped it, and are leaving their children with a legacy of crap they could easily prevented.


I agree with RetiredGuy. This was not the doing of a single generation. This is the real problem:



Roughly 14 out of 15 of us now on the planet are here because of oil. The best thing our parents could have done for the world was not have kids. Yes, even in the U.S. Especially in the U.S. As Third World nations often point out, an American with two kids does a lot more damage to the environment than a Mongolian with twelve kids.

Don't blame the older generation unless you wish you'd never been born.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:43 am    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

>> Regardless of what these people say they do think they are still entitled to everything they "earnt", they won't give you or me a piece of anything. If crapattack or his friend Zordoz really care, why don't they give me 20K so I can setup a RE system over here, so I can do my bit to save the planet?

Huh?

Go out and EARN that 20k like the "oldies" did.

Start your own eco company or something.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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>> Regardless of what these people say they do think they are still entitled to everything they "earnt", they won't give you or me a piece of anything. If crapattack or his friend Zordoz really care, why don't they give me 20K so I can setup a RE system over here, so I can do my bit to save the planet?

Huh?

Go out and EARN that 20k like the "oldies" did.

Start your own eco company or something.


Thanks for reading the thread and understanding what was said in it, here's two, one cent coins. Try rubbing them together next time.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

SoothSayer wrote:
>> Regardless of what these people say they do think they are still entitled to everything they "earnt", they won't give you or me a piece of anything. If crapattack or his friend Zordoz really care, why don't they give me 20K so I can setup a RE system over here, so I can do my bit to save the planet?

Huh?

Go out and EARN that 20k like the "oldies" did.

Start your own eco company or something.


Good response.

For some reason, teenagers, and those in their early twenties, seem to have the attitude that they don't need to earn those "entitlements", but that they should be given to them.

Case in point. Recently, my niece asked the family to give her $3000 so she could go to Israel for a two week-long attempt to spread some "Christianity". (She's studying to be a minister.) The year before that, she travelled to Thailand to "spread the word" of Jesus.

Sounds more like a vacation instead of true missionary work, imo.

Wow, how brilliant! I wish I had thought about asking my extended family for thousands of dollars every year instead of earning it when I was their age!

I did not contribute to her wasteful effort, and now I'm scorned by my relatives to some degree.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

coyote wrote:
...Then the strange thing happened. Carter was replaced by Reagan. The hippies became yuppies in pursuit of corporate ladders and BMWs. They completely defaulted on environmental issues, and the ecological revolution withered in its tracks. 'Trickle-down economics,' strongly favoring corporations and the wealthy, was bought into wholesale. A blind eye was turned to social and environmental issues around the world...


Not so strange, actually. You're forgetting the event that altered the course of U.S. and world history:

Iran hostage crisis

It wrecked Carter's presidency and twisted the way Americans looked at the world. Everything changed after that. The most powerful geopolitical entity of all time was transformed by it, and went off in a direction that has brought us to where we are now.

A few hundred Iranian college students had an effect on the course of human events that is so profound it can scarcely be calculated. Imagine how different everything would have been if Carter had won in 1980 instead of Reagan. Future historians will look back on the Iran hostage crisis as one of the most important single events in history.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Leanan wrote:
This is the real problem:

Those population graphs freak me out no matter how many times I see them Shock
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:19 am    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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A few hundred Iranian college students had an effect on the course of human events that is so profound it can scarcely be calculated. Imagine how different everything would have been if Carter had won in 1980 instead of Reagan. Future historians will look back on the Iran hostage crisis as one of the most important single events in history.

Interesting point, Zardoz. I realized of course that the Iran hostage crisis was a blow to the Carter presidency (along with the famous 'Malaise' speech); but I never thought to look at it from a macrosocial and historical viewpoint. Kind of obvious now that you mention it, but I have a tendency to overlook such things.

Interesting that you point to the Iran hostage crisis as one of the most important single events in history; because it also coincides with, and was perhaps the trigger for, the per capita peak and subsequent decline of world oil production (and, until fairly recently, overall energy production as well) -- about which Dr. Albert Bartlett made a similar statement. I think you may be onto something there.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well we sold one toy already and two more are polished and on the market, good start for two days.
Looks like people still want toys. I guess they haven't found this web site yet.

Anyway I was out on the deck looking at our lake, it is about 1/2 mile wides and 4 miles long and averaging 10 feet deep.

My boy asked me, "Dad, How manny barrels of oil would fill that lake?"
So we reached for the calculator, and figured it to be 4 billion gallons./

So my boy goes, well, that would run the world four days.

And I smiled, yes son, four days.

And he asked me about the new superhuge BIODIESEL plant brought in by the governor to begin making 1 MILLION gallons of diesel a MONTH!
IMPRESSIVE!

I said, my boy, how long will it take the new hi-tech cool-as-a-cucmber Democratic-Governor-hanging-on-the-edge-for-re-election-sponsored BIODIESEL RAPESEED PLANT TO FILL THAT LAKE?

so he calculates and calculates.

and says:

4 thousand months...

"How many years is that?"
333
"How many months of growing season do we have here?
5
so about 500 years?

And he goes,
"Yup, biodiesel is a joke"

nuff said.

biodiesel is a politcal game, and don't count on it to even minisculy change anything.
Onset of peak or severity of peak will in no way be even affected.

I have a smart kid. He can't be bought or sold.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Why are younger Americans so miserable? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What Frank said. I also blame the authorites -- products of grains and domesticated animals -- that make eating a privledge instead of a right for my misery.

I find the idea of blaming other generations to be meaningless. The collective actions of many generations in West Asia turned a giant forest into a desert. Many generations of Chinese turned a forest into the Gobi desert, and now they are proceeding to turn the rest of their area into a desert. Many generations of Americans turned much of the Great Plains into a desert. These people were not baby boomers; they were a bloated suicide cult who kill themselves by destroying the soil from where their food comes, and shitting in drinking water.

About boomers, there are boomers and there are boomer consumers. The boomers dropped out or attempted to drop out of the suicide cult by forming communities, or moving out into a somewhat remote area with minimal people -- the myth of the rugged indivualist. Many of them failed because they were reabsorbed by the suicide cult. Boomer consumers do what all the other suicide cults do, only they have more resources to kill themselves and everyone else around them faster.

The suicide cult leaders have spent much time proselytizing new generations to do the same things as before, and they'll all eventually kill themselves and most people around them. People who aren't a part of the suicide cult will probably have a better chance of surviving the actions of the swarm.
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