I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:42 am Post subject: re:
I disagree with those people ; Haarp, altho' resembling many rotating washing lines, looks more like the SDI and as such is far more likely to be about shooting down possible asteroids or other space related problems.
Haarp is said to employ scalar technology as had been filmed in operation at the usual places like area 51 ( the orange fireballs that rise up out of the ground, the 'angel hair' phenomenon ), this is not exactly the same as the wireless transmissions that the Wardenclyff tower at Shoreham, Long Island would have employed, neither are the the same as the brian-frying microwaves that mobile phones use.
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:57 am Post subject: re:
Okay, it's not online now....... The site is there, they don't seem to have updated their catalogue - you can still fill a form out on the page tho' and get the latest catalogue sent out, free.
loads of it is conspiracy stuff, and loads more (which some of you may be into anyway) but there are plenty of videos and books just about inventions and the science behind it.
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:00 pm Post subject:
You have to admit, that Tesla guy was one smart cookie. Too bad he went to the financial powers that be for extra money! Even the best make mistakes sometimes. You can go to a website called: link for more details.
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:28 pm Post subject: re:
Westinghouse was alright. As for the others you mean, well, how can you justify THAT after you die and it's soul-judgement time? Simply put, you can't. link
"In Search of Long Distance Hydro-Electric Transmission
The Niagara Falls Power Company offered a $100,000 prize for anyone who could develop a method to transmit electricity long distance. No one responded to this offer. A world wide search began. A think tank of the worlds most brightest minds met in London, England.
Younger geniuses favoured alternating current while the elders favored direct current. Against the advice of Thomas Edison and William Kelvin, alternating electrical current was selected as the standard to be used. Nikola Tesla was born in Smiljan, Croatia in 1856.
Tesla created an effective alternating current (AC) transmission system that would be adapted worldwide. George Westinghouse, a American inventor and manufacturer began development of Tesla's system.
In 1883, Westinghouse created an illumination system for Niagara Falls using AC current. On May 6th 1893, the Cataract Construction Company decided to use alternating current (AC) for power generation and transmission."
"What is this great change that can be coolly and precisely forecast? Along what lines will these wonderful developments come? The answer is "wireless"--not the wireless of a Marconi or a De Forest, but the wireless of a Tesla--of "high potential magnifying transmitters"--of "nodes" and "loops"--of oscillatory currents that leave their conductors behind--the "wireless" of the day when a system is introduced enabling any person to reach any other on the globe, not simply through a spoken word or thought conveyed, but visually a perfect transmission of images which will enable one person to see another, as though that other were by his side--"wireless" of a time when the great operations of commerce and industry will be vitalized by huge wireless power stations, turning the machinery of factories, lighting cities, or sending swift aeroplanes and ships darting to the farthest points of the earth.
Of course, there may be something of the dramatic in such assertions, but they are founded upon scientific facts, and, if imaginary, are scientifically imaginary. The wonderful mysteries of oscillatory currents, whose natural medium is the ether, currents which object to being confined to wires and cables, and defy all ordinary laws; currents that will melt masses of metal with the violence of an explosion, but yet pass through the human body without producing any sensation; currents that will instantly manifest themselves 2,000 miles away from their source, with no visible means of propagation, are the open sesame to the treasures of a wonderful future." _________________ the frogurt is also cursed
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:53 am Post subject: the Tesla Coil
link :
"Applications--If, as happened in practice, Tesla made an antenna of the high-voltage end of his secondary, it became a powerful radio transmitter. In fact, in the early decades of radio, most practicable radios utilized Tesla coils in their transmission antennas. Tesla himself used larger or smaller versions of his invention to investigate fluorescence, x-rays, radio, wireless power, biological effects, and even the electromagnetic nature of the earth and its atmosphere.
Today, high-voltage labs often operate such devices, and amateur enthusiasts around the world build smaller ones to create arcing, streaming electrical displays”it is not difficult to reach a quarter million volts. (One of the very first particle accelerator designs, by Rolf Wideroe in 1928, generated its high voltage in a Tesla coil.) The coil has become a commonplace in electronics, used to supply high voltage to the front of television picture tubes, in a form known as the flyback transformer." _________________ the frogurt is also cursed
"Despite the references in this article, it was somewhat misleading to refer to Tesla's structure as a "radio" tower. As noted in the text, Tesla was not attempting to use electro-magnetic radiation, or radio waves, in his "wireless power" experiments. Instead, he was attempting to use the earth as a giant electrical condenser, to store and distribute electrical energy, and explicitly says in this article that "electrical radiation" was impractical for what he was attempting to achieve.
The Electrical Experimenter, Sep 1917, pg 293:
U. S. Blows Up Tesla Radio Tower
SUSPECTING that German spies were using the big wireless tower erected at Shoreham, L. I., about twenty years ago by Nikola Tesla, the Federal Government ordered the tower destroyed and it was recently demolished with dynamite. During the past month several strangers had been seen lurking about the place.
Tesla erected the tower, which was about 185 feet high, with a well about 100 feet deep, for use in experimenting with the transmission of electrical energy for power and lighting purposes by wireless. The equipment cost nearly $200,000.
The late J. P. Morgan backed Nikola Tesla with the money to build this remarkable steel tower, that he might experiment in wireless even before people knew of Marconi. A complete description, revised by Dr. Tesla himself, of this unique and ultra-powerful radio plant was given in the March, 1916, issue of THE ELECTRICAL EXPERIMENTER. Everyone interested in the study of high frequency currents should not fail to study that discourse as it contains the theory of how this master electrician proposed to charge this lofty antenna with thousands of kilowatts of high frequency electrical energy, then to radiate it thru the earth and run ships, factories and street cars with "wireless power."
Most of our readers have, no doubt, read about the famous Tesla wireless tower, which structure involved the expenditure of a vast sum of money and engineering talent. From this lofty structure, which was designed some 20 years ago by Dr. Tesla and his associates, there was to be propagated an electric wave of such intensity that it could charge the earth to such a potential that the effect of the wave or charge could be felt in the utmost confines of the globe." _________________ the frogurt is also cursed
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:09 am Post subject: more Wardenclyff links
Link1 Link 2 Link 3*
Funny, I typed in 'wardenclyff' in the usual search engine and it came up with - nothing about it at all! As you can plainly see, there are many webpages and websites availible that mention it quite a lot of times in their html text. Yes, I tried it with both captial and small-letter W.
*it also has links to information on building your own Tesla Coil (also availible in George Trinkaus booklets ) _________________ the frogurt is also cursed
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:25 pm Post subject: Global Energy Grid
Hello all, As a self proclaimed redneck,nationalist,right wing nut I would first like to point out that I am staunchly opposed to globalism in any form.However,given our current situation,a global approach might be the wisest. I wasn't quite sure where to post this idea so feel free to move it. I'm not a scientist nor am I an engineer so feel free to point out any flaws in my idea.
The biggest problem I have found when reasearching the subject of personal energy independence via wind/solar power is energy storage.One day the sun may be out and shining bright providing more energy than I need only to be followed by several cloudy days.One day the wind might be blowing 40mph only to be followed by a week of virtual stillness.Now I can utilise a battery bank to store energy on the "feast" days in order to see me through the "famine" days,but batteries are expensive,eventually wear out,are a terribly inefficient way to store energy,and after PO will become more and more and more costly to replace.
I realise that solor votaic cells have some issues,such as the toxic byproducts created in their contruction,and I realise their energy return is less than desireable,however,once created they require virtually no maintainance.Wind power,if allowed to become a mainstream industy,would become cheaper do to the laws of scale.
So picture this(liberal fantasy world here),a world in which every house and any other structure on the panet is tiled with solor cells.Every backyard has at least one wind turbine.All of these are tied into a global grid so that when the sun goes down in Tokyo people from western Europe are powering their lights,and likewise,the people from the Americas will power the Europeans' lights when their sun goes down.
I'm sure it probably wouldn't meet all of our energy demands,but it could take care of a very significant chunk. Let me know what ya think. take care all
P.S. Can you imagine how much energy we could harvest by placing a small,low volt,low amp,windcharger at the top of every telephone/utility pole in the world?
I *think* it's been mentioned someplace before, this idea sounds familiar. The problems will lie in power transmission. Won't say it's impossible but the power losses will be tremendous. Sending energy across 20,000 km (half the world, with one part in sunlight, the other part in darkness) isn't quite the same as sending bits over the Internet.
Last I heard, they were mumbling something about needing superconducting wires. It'll be a while yet before Saudi Arabia starts exporting electricity ... _________________ Live quotes - crude oil, gold and currencies
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Global Energy Grid
BastardSquad wrote:
The biggest problem I have found when reasearching the subject of personal energy independence via wind/solar power is energy storage.
Government in the US of A doesn't like personal energy independance. That kind of thinking went out with Jimmy Carter. It is why the $325 million dollar wind project was supposed to have lined up $350 mil in tax brakes. (So you the consumer can pay EXTRA for 'green power')
Energy storage is only an issue if you want to keep living the same way you are used to living "on the grid" - You want the power to use NOW, its yours. If you can modify your power usage, storage is not an issue.
BastardSquad wrote:
P.S. Can you imagine how much energy we could harvest by placing a small,low volt,low amp,windcharger at the top of every telephone/utility pole in the world?
Maintiance hassles. Wind machine on pole - vibrations that can compermise the pole. Cost of equipment VS power 'gotten'....no payback.
Scale 'matters', sorta. Example: Big 5 MW rated wind machine end up costing less than $1 a watt acq. cost. $2-$3 a watt for 'small wind'. Small wind (100 watts to 20kW) builders feel if they got the government handouts like 'big wind', they too would be at sub $1 a watt costs.
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Global Energy Grid
rerere wrote:
Energy storage is only an issue if you want to keep living the same way you are used to living "on the grid" - You want the power to use NOW, its yours. If you can modify your power usage, storage is not an issue.
I think this makes the most sense. Our goal is to modify our life so that the essentials do not require electricity... so that shelter, food produciton, food preservation, daily transportation, clothing are not based on fossil fuels in any way.
After we've got that down, we'll build some sort of local electrical generation - not sure if it will be solar, wind, hydro or some combo - will depend on the land andwhat is practical there. But it will be for *entertainment* only - for playing mp3s, watching videos, logging on (for as long as there's an inernet). Hence, not being able to store electricity is just a minor inconvenience. And actual oil will only be relevant for vacation travel.
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:33 pm Post subject:
What does electricity have to do with Peak Oil? I mean it will be indirectly affected like everything else, but we don't use oil to make electricity. I get mine from Nuclear, which only has to be refueled once a year. Most of North American electricity comes from coal, which we have a lot of. Coal plants are more sensitive do to the fact that they need a steady flow of coal which has to be transported (which uses diesel.) Most hydroplants aren't even staffed!
I think that people really have a hard time seeing the Peak Oil picture, meaning what will happen when oil is $200/bl. The largest consumer of oil is for transportation, meaning diesel and gasoline. Oil distillates will be hit very hard. The economy will collapse, fuels will be rationed, food will be very expensive, as will everything else. Unless the government falls, the power plants will be a priority
What does electricity have to do with Peak Oil? I mean it will be indirectly affected like everything else, but we don't use oil to make electricity. I get mine from Nuclear, which only has to be refueled once a year. Most of North American electricity comes from coal, which we have a lot of. Coal plants are more sensitive do to the fact that they need a steady flow of coal which has to be transported (which uses diesel.) Most hydroplants aren't even staffed!
I think that people really have a hard time seeing the Peak Oil picture, meaning what will happen when oil is $200/bl. The largest consumer of oil is for transportation, meaning diesel and gasoline. Oil distillates will be hit very hard. The economy will collapse, fuels will be rationed, food will be very expensive, as will everything else. Unless the government falls, the power plants will be a priority
Electricity is related to peak oil as natural gas and coal will be used to augment the post peak energy use for transport. The Fischer-Tropsch Synthesis will likely be used to convert coal to transport fuels, placing stresses on the coal supply.
And as natural gas is a likely "bridge fuel" this will place additional stress on the supply of electricity. (We'll likely see problems in NG before the end of winter anyway- and serious ones should we have a 'cold' winter) .
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