US Army Corps of Engineers Peak Oil Report

MonteQuest · Last edited by MonteQuest on Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:05 pm; edited 1 time in total

The report that Rep. Roscoe Bartlett refers to:

Energy Trends and Their Implications for U.S. Army Installations

Battle_Scarred_Galactico · Intermediate Crude Joined: Apr 07, 2005 Posts: 970

I'm glad to see someone is living in the real world.
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pup55 · Expert Joined: May 26, 2004 Posts: 3693

I believe this is the earlier thread:

http://peakoil.com/fortopic18248-0-asc-45.html

Anyway, the question of the day is: Is this one of those activities for which a negative EROEI will be ignored?

Example: you need a lot of diesel to run the bountiful number of AFV's (tanks) now in the US Army. Do you convert your remaining coal supply to diesel somehow to keep these things running, or use the supply more efficiently for other more useful activities.

For a clue, we can go back to the $5000 toilet seat: Typically our elected officials have regarded the military as a "money is no object" activity. I imagine "eroei is no object" would be the approach for awhile.

whereagles

This report is public? Shocked

The stuff inside should be for the strategic command only Rolling Eyes

Ludi

MonteQuest · Last edited by MonteQuest on Thu May 04, 2006 6:07 pm; edited 1 time in total

seahorse · Expert Joined: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 2196 Location: Arkansas

Iraq is the US' "Stalingrad"

dinopello

There is an interview with one of the report's authors by David Room

http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/interviews/700

Frank

I have to wonder if the issue will get more attention in the White House, as it's coming from the army and not a bunch of unpatriotic liberals... Laughing

Also interesting is that they refused to speculate with any precision on a PO date (2005-2020, non-OPEC first).

DJ_Mittens

The military is not naive, as much of their population is. They know exactly what is going on. And yes, to keep that fuel pumping, they will do whatever is necessary.

Ludi

In the US, our government is being replaced by a fascist dictatorship of sorts with the prez deciding he is above the law (see his "signing statements"). Fortunately it seems large chunks of the military are no longer on his side. I don't think a military coup is likely, though possible.

I'm very interested to see what excuse will be used to disuade the populace from voting come this Fall. I foresee an outbreak of Avian Flu, personally.
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PO_TimeCr0ss

Wow, this report is amazing. Even more so that it comes from the ACE.

My jaw slammed into the floor upon some of the things said in this report. I would wish that such a groundbreaking report would be more publisized.
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rwwff

This is one of the things that strikes me as peculiar about American politics, really ever since Clinton won his first election with less than a majority of the popular vote. People on the party opposite think they are being taken over by a fascist dictatorship; when all that has really happened is that they lost an election, and elections have consequences. I'm hoping that this is a passing trend, because its certainly not healthy. If a Democrat wins the presidency in 2008, it won' t be the end of American Democracy, and who knows, if we get lucky, we can get a Democrat pres and a Republican congress then maybe we can cut out all this earmark spending that has just gone wacko in recent years.

As to the military and peak oil, I think yall can relax, the US can produce internally enough diesel and kerosene to run our military vehicles for a very long time. Its the question of how much would be left over for civilian use that is the serious issue. Personally, as long as the troops don't have to skimp with regard to fuel, ammo, and food; I feel pretty ok about the taxes I pay.

EnviroEngr

MonteQuest